The New Business Paradigm with Elaira

Podcast about future of business and entrepreneurship paradigm shift

There is a radical shift happening on a planet. The world is fundamentally changing and a lot of old ways don’t work anymore! I believe there was never a more prominent time for this radical change and building our businesses differently and often totally other way round to what we know, or we have been told to.

My name is Elaira and in this “The New Business Paradigm” podcast I challenge old business concepts and I bring new and different perspectives to the ways we work and build our businesses, and ourselves. I explore already rising totally new economical, technological, financial, social, and business paradigms and also how it affects entrepreneurship from its core.

I believe in the economy of care and I stand for creating businesses in your own authentic way while doing it with ease, effortless flow, and joy.

I would like to invite the experience of entrepreneurship as the journey of more homecoming to yourself.

So, let’s welcome future potential, rewrite outdated definitions, ground new ways of being and innovate our businesses from the place of our hearts. 

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This is the 5th interview with my amazingly wise guest Oracle Girl. This was a LIVE youtube event that took place on December 29, 2020.

And this time, it was an exploration of what is happening in the business and financial arena now and in a near future. 

We discussed those questions:

  • How we navigate the transition to new business and financial models where we give with integrity?
  •  How is money being repositioned in Nature’s World Order?
  • What will happen with our financial system? 
  • Will there be an economic crash? 
  • Should we all be buying cryptocurrency? 
  • What are the dynamics of the moment of exchange when working by donation?
  • Practical actions to prepare.

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I highly recommend checking our previous conversations too:

Your love offerings (donations) are highly appreciated. You can do it HERE with Fiat or Cryptocurrencies.

In this episode, I tackle one of the misconceptions and shadow sides of productivity and visibility in business.

I talk about society’s glorification for doing, being busy, and working hard. As well, I explore general businesses’ approach to visibility and the marketing concept of being constantly visible in order to be successful.

I go deep to explain where it comes from, what is the root cause of it all, and how it is related to the matters of the heart.

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  • What is the pulse of business right now and where are we going?
  • Words from Jacqueline to help us hold our nerve during these times and purify so we can shed what is the way of us abundantly flourishing and using our talents in business
  • Why decisions don’t need to be made
  • The business world is going to change radically
  • The dynamics of care: charge, adaptation and calm
  • You are using your body to generate currency
  • What’s happening the old system and how to navigate it leaving
  • You are on a positive future trajectory if you are listening
  • What happens in the purification space
  • What “freely given” means: what it isn’t and what it is
  • How it is a process of deletion of patterns in us and others
  • The place of genuine desire and role of “dreaming”
  • Operating from the actual frequency of purity and groundedness in business
  • Where the principle of no harm comes into play and how this will rewrite our business future
  • Animals and plants kill – how is this doing no harm?
  • What do we mean by “nature” here? 
  • Re-perspectivising nature’s “rules” in terms of your “body read”
  • Your body is like an oracle! We are a mystery feedback mechanism.
  • The limitations of systems and our financial system
  • Human self-nature and the spontaneity of our own unique instructions
  • Burnout and abusive giving vs creativity and flow in business
  • The difference between charity – “freely given” in the religious world of finance – and being in right relationship with giving and money
  • Nature does not starve an open network: it only cuts off what is dying
  • No distinction between the individual and collective for true abundance
  • Your frequency setting must be correct in order to succeed with living by donation
  • We are driving the frequency changes behind immediate direct transactions
  • Are donations going to be ultimate financial transaction in the future?
  • Why did Jacqueline choose to work by donation?
  • You and life is “freely given”

This is the 4th episode in this series of conversations with Oracle Girl, Dr Jacqueline Hobbs. In our interview this extraordinary woman goes deeper into the dynamics of what is “freely given,” sharing deep and high level wisdom on how the universe really works and how to build your business with broader principles of nature. 

This is not a typical interview. Listening to this podcast will affect you deeper than you expect due to the special sets of abilities Jacqueline was born with. Please take a careful read of her aftercare page when you finish.

Relevant links:

Oracle Girl website
Aftercare page
Joining the Reboot group or a personal purification or to purify your business
Dreaming, identity and self healing
Business, organisations & money purification tracks from Jacqueline

Check episodes 4, 6 and 7 which are my previous interviews with Jacqueline.


Donation, nature and “freely given”

ELAIRA: Thank you for joining to “Welcome Future” with me. My name is Elaira. And on this podcast I invite non-conventional business leaders to talk about thought provoking, sometimes very disruptive, and totally new ways of doing business. Talking about non-conventional, I believe Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs is on the top of the list. She not only shares paving the way for new world business content, she is very practical role model of how to do it. As well, she brings extra-ordinary set of abilities she was born with. This is not just another casual conversation, her words, body wiring and her presence have ability to bring people in connection with themselves and purify patterns which holds them back. Believe me, I stand by those words, because I interviewed this special woman several times and every time it brought me to really intense process myself. Here is a sneak peek of our conversation.

JACQUELINE: Freely given actually means that there is a very certain type of financial transaction taking place. However, that transaction is not decided by the mind or the emotions, and it does not come first and it is not part of a framework of, traditionally, what we call value. Freely given is about fully putting all of yourself into each moment without self censorship.

ELAIRA: Today, in our conversation, it feels we went to the bottom of it all. Jacqueline shared deep, high level wisdom on how universe really works, and how to build your business with a broader principles of nature, including definitions of what they are. We talked about how to hold the nerve through currently really tough times about bright future which is ahead of us, and we discussed if donations are the ultimate future financial transaction, why for some people it doesn’t work, what is the real root cause of it, and how to share your gifts and talents with the world from the place and principle of freely given. Hope you enjoy.

ELAIRA: Hello, Jacqueline.

JACQUELINE: So happy to see you today, Elaira.

ELAIRA: I am so happy too. It’s been quite a journey to enter this interview.

JACQUELINE: We are in a really new time now, aren’t we? I mean, even since we last spoke, the economics of the time, the way people are doing business, the new thoughts and the new business which is starting to appear at a rapid rate – it’s quite breathtaking, isn’t it? We’re just new human beings in the full definition of the word now.

ELAIRA: Oh, yes. And since you already start talking about it, maybe you can share a little bit where we are collectively, what’s happening, what is the pulse of the business right now, and where are we going towards?

JACQUELINE: Well, the pulse of business right now, on the one hand, we’re seeing quite a lot of panic, and then on the other hand, we are seeing people swapping over into a new way of being, so that especially financially they are still able to function, maybe even more efficiently, even than they did before, by a change in business practices and particularly a change in collection mechanism and platforming, electronically.
ELAIRA: Yes, we talked already in previous episodes on my podcast, we had several conversations about donations and different business models for those people who are joining us the first time. And today we will go deeper, continuing this conversation.


ELAIRA: So, before we dive into more details about donations and business models and transactions…


ELAIRA:…can you share a little bit for people who are really struggling and, really, the tension is rising and the shift is happening, as you just mentioned before. How to hold that nerve? How to prepare for this time?

JACQUELINE: Well, I want you all to understand that now you are resonating on a completely different frequency to what you were before. And that means that your physicality is starting to grow in a new direction so that you can answer to much higher, purer vibrations on this planet. That’s why it’s all going to hell in a handbasket around you. So, in this interview, let’s not focus on the external world, and even not on what’s going on inside our heads or in our emotions. And let’s just focus on this space, which actually is all about that high frequency, that purity of you, which is fast embodying. And what’s happening for you is that you are shedding every single thing that is in the way of you abundantly flourishing and using your talents in the best way possible for these very, very new and different times. And the great news is, you haven’t got to make any decisions. The decisions will get made – because of you, through you and with you – as a result of your body already automatically following and being shaped by this new frequency. You were very much born for these times. And now, actually, you have a new expanded repertoire that you’ve never had before. And so it’s a bit like bursting out of the chrysalis, you now need to put a bold step forward in the direction that you really want to go and the direction that you find is already naturally happening for you – a bit like surfing that wave when you’re already up on the surfboard and you just start to twist the board a little bit according to the next ongoing wave. You’re already there, you’re already on your journey, and if something is falling away, or giving you extreme difficulty, just drop it. Let it fall away and let the new you emerge. The business world is now going to change very radically. And you’re going to find that not only are we virtualising in our currency – for both good and bad reasons at the moment. But, not only this. That we are starting to think about our transactions, more in terms of what we want to achieve, with or without the limitations that have been in place. And as we forge forward, it’s going to be all about the person directly in front of you, and how much you care about whether what you’re talking about actually happens. If you don’t feel it and if there isn’t a strong connection for you – that also is part of the repertoire where you are going to be dropping stuff and just letting it fall away. Even just kick it out the door as quickly as you can, because it’s no longer deep needed. Follow where the strong charge is, and realise and understand that you are purifying, 24 hours a day now, through all the action that you take. So keep moving, keep adapting, keep flowing. And it’s not so much about thinking or trying to work it out. It’s continually moving forward into the next open space, always making sure that your deep principles and your own truth is not being compromised, and continuing to move forward in a steady, fluid way. You’ll actually find that there is a lot of calmness, and a lot of process. And that process will show you – even when you have strong emotion sometimes – that you really needed to let go of what’s leaving, and that you really needed to step into this new territory of actually judging, circumstantially, each moment where you actually are, this moment, without trying to analyse it too much, project or get too much into the story of that moment. It’s all about using your body now, in a new way, where your body is actually generating the currency of care every single minute. And then where you come across those interactions where that care meter, that measure of excitement, goes up, then you push forward into that space and whatever drops, side to side, you just let it go. Don’t even look down as it falls away, and keep going. That’s what’s happening. Because, right now, there is a fast-forward eject going on in the world of the old system, and you don’t want to be hanging on to all the stuff that’s being forced to leave. You want to keep yourself nice and compact, with one foot in front of the other on that high wire, and you want to be looking straight ahead, with your pole already in your hands, balancing nicely from side to side, and you just keep moving, with your sights on the platform at the other end of the wire, which, by the way, every time you get near to it, is then going to edge a little bit further into the distance again, so you never quite reach the platform, but it’s going to keep pulling you along. You are on a positive future trajectory if you are listening today. Everything is going to be OK. It doesn’t mean that it’s going to be without worry or anxiety, but it does mean that you are on the most thrilling adventure you’ve ever come across in your life so far, and there is going to be that incredible, uplifting outcome from this whole chapter that you’ve always suspected is possible but that you’ve never seen.

ELAIRA: I resonate so much with a lot of what you said, but you said it so clearly. I love how you named it because I notice my body is really doing the things that sometimes are like, “Oooh, wait for me!” It’s just happening.

JACQUELINE: This is the purification space. So this is not an ordinary interview. This is a space in which all of us are meeting. We are already accelerating in frequency, wrapping around the highest of integrity. We are plugging in, each of us, only into our own source connection. There’s no healing going on. There’s no putting anything in or taking anything out. But, in the presence of this space, in my presence, and then in the combined presence of everyone joining together to listen right now, whether it’s in what will be the past after this interview, or in the future, other people joining to actually listen and watch, beyond the recording and when it is immediately released, we will all keep on cumulatively charging and potentiating this space of moving deeper and deeper into an embodiment of new business, which, by the way, is based on everything being freely given. And we’re going to explain that today.

ELAIRA: Yes, that’s the word that I really want to dive deeper.

JACQUELINE: Yes. It really needs explaining, doesn’t it?


JACQUELINE: Immediately, you hear those words.

ELAIRA: And what does it mean, really?

JACQUELINE: All these images come up. And, first of all, maybe we can dissect a little bit about what it’s not, OK?


JACQUELINE: Freely given doesn’t mean that no money is involved. Freely given actually means that there is a very certain type of financial transaction taking place. However, that transaction is not decided by the mind or the emotions, and it does not come first, and it is not part of a framework of traditionally what we call value. Traditionally, you go to a shop and you think, “Oh, you know, I’d really like to buy that.” And you look at the price, and you think, “Can I afford it or not?” And you’re very clear in your mind. Well, that’s not freely given – “I have to pay for it” – OK? And we’re not saying that here. What we’re saying is, you are given exactly what you need, every moment, let’s say in this interaction, just for example, by myself. So I am giving you everything, this moment, that I have to give, without a filter. In that sense, it is freely given. And I think we can be clear in this moment that money is not involved, when I’m talking about that, because, in a way, we’re talking about every single level that you can think of, that you know and that you don’t, and I’m not asking anyone here to give me any money, OK? So I’m actually coming from a very different place from when I design a product and then think about how much I’m going to price it at and then how much I’m going to expect to receive for it. There’s no expectation in this process. And actually, by the time I finish this interview, I’m not going to be thinking about how much someone may decide to give as a donation afterwards for listening. I’m not even interested because I’m too busy getting excited about the next thing that I’m doing. So it’s a spontaneous state of pure creativity and embodiment of the essence of my own self, and nothing else – in purity. Because, in the purification space, patterns and adverse effects are being continually deleted by my self healing ability. And it’s the same for me as it is for everybody in the purification space. I also am constantly deleting patterns, not only in my own personal field, but for others as well, because that is part of my job, OK? In the purification space, which is what I’m talking about when we talk about freely given, there is always, built into this space, the ability that every single person has to delete their own patterns, and much more besides by the way, because now all human beings are deleting, not only patterns in themselves and their own family lines, but they are actually purifying patterns behind leaders, shadow controllers, and very soon we’ll be doing an event on negative high frequency beings, which are to do with our current world situation. We can purify anything, and we all are now functioning on that frequency level where that is happening spontaneously, all of the time. So that’s almost a prerequisite, and it’s built into the space. And then freely given is about fully putting all of yourself into each moment, without self censorship. Giving because it lifts you, it enchants you, it illuminates you, it moves you, it excites you, and you feel, deeply within you, a greater sense of solidity. Not that “Woo!” Not that high, buzzy, sort of spiritual, bliss-y feeling, because that’s often very ungrounded and that’s just to do with your spiritual body. I’m talking about your physical body, your emotional body, your mental body, and your spiritual body. When you purify, all three are integrated and are being conditioned and shaped by just the purity of your own source connection, where you’re up to in this process. And so, when you give, and that is freely given, you are actually totally aligned with nature itself. And desire, in the healthy sense of the word, not the indulgent definition, is playing through the situation at such a high frequency that you are just moved by what is your greatest, deepest wish, spontaneously in the moment, without really thinking about it. It actually comes into form and happens without you really having to suggest, even, or do something. It just starts to shape because of the interaction with the other person, physical or non-physical action, it can be online as well as in person. And actually, in this way of being, we call that “dreaming.” If you look in the library on my website, there is a YouTube Live broadcast about the whole subject of dreaming, so I’m not going to get too much into that today. But freely given is about the whole state of dreaming that a human being is able to engage in, where you seed a future by being totally and utterly who you are, without falling into fear frequencies, without operating in the zone which is in the zone of patterns and the slave self. The slave self is the part of us which is limited and controlled by another source, which is also a part of our system and part of our world reality – which is currently leaving, by the way. And that’s what we see happening in the external world situation at the moment – the clash of worlds as one tries to stay and is not able to, OK? So, I hope you’re starting now just to expand and get into a deeper, more physically evident feeling in your own self of how being in the zone of operating from freely given means that you are wholly focused, very grounded and you are already operating from your own purity, spontaneously, and you are nakedly interacting with someone, first and foremost, with exactly what is in front of you and the read, if you like, directly in your body as it reports back to you, that moment, from your source connection – not from your mind, not from your emotions, not from spiritual teachings, not from political or economic theories about how business or the world should work. I am holding you to that frequency – when you meet in this space with me. And if you want to get more involved in operating this way, then you can meet me over and over again in different events, particularly the Reboot group, to continually be held at this frequency so you operate that way until your body switches into it automatically all of the time.

ELAIRA: Yeah. So, first of all, I need to move my body because this theme really hits my body, oh!


ELAIRA: I really feel like, ooh, it needs to flow now.

JACQUELINE: Yes, we know, don’t we, from doing previous interviews together, it has been incredibly intense, hasn’t it?

ELAIRA: It’s been…

JACQUELINE: It’s the experience for a lot of the interviewers who work with me. Often they process so deeply and so fast as we do the interview that you need to actually be open to the fluidity…


JACQUELINE: …and the purification, which you find to be extremely physical. And that’s what the purification space is – it changes reality. And when we work from the setting of freely given, we actually, directly, really, and truly, change our society, we change our economic and our business lives, we change our health, we change our body, and we make everything and everyone wrap around us and our individual purity signal. This is a completely different style of life. It’s the new human being, which puts government, business and economics into another category. It must serve the principle of doing no harm, or it cannot stick. Because you’re not cali-, calibrated that way, and you never were. And continually to follow this vibration, and this setting in your physicality, is to actually rewrite the future of business and economics, however much it seems to be saying to you, “You’ve got to do it our way or this way.” It’s actually the other way round. This space and this time, actually, is all about making the world adhere to the way of being that we already carry and have brought here for these times. Because now there’s going to be a switch and the future is going to be ruled by the 99%, not the 1%.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and you mentioned a lot about doing business and being in line with nature and doing no harm. And I want to clarify that part. Can I give you a bit challenging question? Just to –

JACQUELINE: Of course.

ELAIRA: Just to understand it better.

JACQUELINE: I like challenging questions.

ELAIRA: So, when you look in the nature and the cycles in nature, there are animals killing animals, there are plant strangling plants. How is that not doing harm?

JACQUELINE: Because those animals and those plants are obeying their own self nature. And at this moment in time, that is their setting – which is a mixture of purity and patterns. The animal world is no different to the human world in this sense. It does have its own self limiting and conditioning patterns, which are actually not in its own DNA, like is the case for us, it’s actually coded into nature through human connection. It’s a little bit complicated, but I will explain it because I think it’s quite fascinating. So, plants and animals, actually, at the moment, they don’t really have the same range of choice. They are actually, in many ways, far more advanced than humans, but not all of that is switched on. And their advanced frequencies, they resonate in a completely other frequency setting than has been reached on the Earth yet. And human beings don’t actually function in the same zone as plants and animals currently, although in the future that will be the case just as it was before. Meanwhile, you have the human setting which has the enviable but sometimes the unenviable faculty of choice, OK? And so human beings, when they make a choice, they actually condition the settings of reality on this planet. They don’t wholly condition it, they partially condition it. That then influences the patterning that starts to influence animals and plants. So, animals and plants function wholly out of their purity, and they don’t have any choice. But that purity setting is then compromised by the part of the feed, if you like, from human beings into nature, which operates on behalf of the quality of the choices that human beings are making. So, what’s happened is that with the change in vibration on the Earth in history, maybe, let’s say, from a higher frequency to a denser frequency. I’m not talking about good or bad necessarily, just something heavier and more limiting. What’s happened is that animals and plants, although they still only operate according to their purity and nothing else, that is now in a denser frequency zone and human beings do not have the access to those more enlightened qualities that animals and plants do function on in our space but we’re not aware of. And then, when human beings actually interact with animals and plants, and of course when they don’t, which is most of the time, they unthinkingly continue with their everyday reality, not realising what an impact they have on the Earth and the balance of the forces of nature – that has an effect on the overall context in which animals and plants operate. And so, we will see animals and plants obeying their purity, but, also, because it is their self nature now, killing each other. So, for nature, and animals and plants, killing is not self harm. It’s not doing harm. It’s obeying the purity setting, as is dictated by nature, which is partially controlled by humans. Whereas for humans, it’s slightly different. When we obey our purity setting, our purity setting has the faculty of choice, and we are plugged into a different part of reality, where we can also operate in our own way at a very advanced level, but it has different qualities. And doing no harm, for the human being, is not upsetting the balance of nature, and not causing plants and animals to be downgraded in their own purity setting. I hope I’ve made that as clear as I possibly can.

ELAIRA: Yeah, it is.

JACQUELINE: Because there are slightly different rules for the different pathways.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and maybe just to clarify a bit more what you mean by “nature.” Is it like trees and animals, plants – or nature is more?

JACQUELINE: Really good question. I don’t just mean the rocks, the weather, the heavenly bodies and the celestial influences, the plants, the animals and the trees. By nature, I actually mean the mechanism and the principles by which your source connection works. Because your source connection is continually receiving signals from the universe, from your own purity setting, and then it’s shaped by the choices that you make, and then that starts to embody something called pure love. And according to how well you do that, according to the principle of no harm, and especially no self harm, your source connection then powers up, to be able to plug in to deeper and deeper and wider and wider spectrum abilities and frequencies universally. And so the source connection is not a state, it’s certainly not God up in the sky, or a set of deities from a path or a practice or a religious or a spiritual tradition. Your source connection is the actual, practical, physical wiring in your body, which actually embodies pure love, which is the nature of your purity setting, is your whole identity. And what’s happening at the moment on this planet is that you now have full access to that, for the first time ever on the planet. It’s never happened before. It’s only just become possible. It just started to edge into the realm of human possibility in 2016, and the mechanics of it were finally falling into place at the end of 2014, OK? Nothing to do with the Mayan calendar, and all of that jazz, or any particular timekeeping system that you see externally on the planet right now. And so nature is the way that your source connection, a bit like an antenna, or that filament that you see inside a light bulb that carries the charge to make the light bulb flash and then produce a light, is operating in terms of you fully embodying pure love in your life every day and emitting that frequency signal. When that signal is starting to embody – everywhere – and it’s getting through because patterns are not blocking it anymore, and the frequency of the slave self is no longer where your body is operating, then your light is on all the time. It powers up as soon as you get into the purification space, and then “pwik!” very soon now, even if you’re new to the purification space, once you join a few times, you actually switch on yourself because you have your own self healing ability at the frequency of pure love, because that’s what the purification space is about – and then you’re off. And you learn how to walk across that high rope, that tightrope that goes right across towards that platform I was talking about. And that has a set of rules, which – you won’t find them written down anywhere. This is not about science. It’s not about morality. It’s not about ethics. It’s not about a formula. It is being broadcast through your body every moment. So, if we go back to the gymnast, or the tightrope walker, who’s there with their pole, that person doesn’t go, “Hang on a minute, I’ll just look it up on Google, to find out how to do this.” You do that and you will drop off the wire because you’ll overbalance and you’re not paying attention to your feet, or you’re not holding the bar properly and you’ve got one hand off for your phone, or whatever, OK? Your body, actually, is providing the feedback every moment. And who cares what the rules are about that feedback or how it works? You’ve just got a live broadcast going on inside you, through your musculature, through the balance of your brain and the actual bigger brain that you have in the soles of your feet that are going, “Oop! Just a bit this way. That way.” And, if you notice, the thought happens at exactly the same time as the physical body moves. The slave self makes you think, “Oh, I need to change my feet.” “OK. Change your feet. Boop!” And you change your feet. It’s not like that. Actually, it’s a simultaneous broadcast. Your body is like an oracle. Your body is continually feedbacking to you, like a mirror, “I am moving, left foot forward, slight adjustment on the right,” and your body does it all at the same time. And you get a multidimensional broadcast, which is actually called joy, by the way, when it works completely seamlessly. And – “vroop!” – you’re across the tightrope wire. That follows a set of principles dictated by nature. But no one will ever be able to unlock that code. And if they attempt to, actually, they transgress – and I don’t mean morally or in terms of sin – but that’s not really what human beings are meant to do. If you do that, and you try to access or work out what the code of nature is, or reality, you will end up taking a partial formula because you simply won’t be able to access the whole code. And then you’ll start operating off of a partial system. And you will create a dumbed-down, more limited, closed system rather than an open, dynamic, living, truly calibrated purity system. And by the way, the listeners and the watchers now must have started to realise that actually what I’m talking about is the same thing as what’s started to happen in the world of genetic engineering, science – and philosophy as well – the attempt to pack reality into this, and try and get it all to work in a linear fashion. There’s nothing wrong with thinking and doing things in a linear fashion, if we understand that it’s a temporary tool that’s part of the joy of existence. But if we actually start to believe that that is the measure of how life really is and how nature operates, then we are in trouble. We set ourselves up as gods and controllers of reality and then, by the way, we create a financial system, we create a program for how humans maybe should be. We call that morality, or sometimes ethics. Or we create a mental philosophical document, which is great fun, of course, because then we can muse about the mystery of our existence, but we then set up something, which if we’re not careful we could fall in love with and fall into so deeply that we actually forget about the fullness of who we are and the fact that we are a mystery feedback mechanism. And we then limit ourselves to the nature of the formula that we’ve fallen in love with, and like we tend to experience in life, all systems work for a while, then they don’t work anymore, and we go through the pain of having to let them go – with all of the repercussions that ensue. And that’s exactly what’s happening in our world right now. Our financial system has actually fallen apart. And what’s happened is that certain people who were behind that system are not limiting people anymore, because everybody’s realising that that system’s falling apart and they’re seeing the cracks in reality. So the people behind that system are trying to get a stronger grip on our reality and get our attention back again. That’s why we see an illness going on, in the moment, in our society, with all these false messages around it. By the way, there is an illness, but it’s not the illness we’re being told about. And then, the bigger picture of how we actually already have the ability to function according to those principles of nature, and be that tightrope walker, be fully abundant, supported, change our clothes with every season, business-wise, economically, in every sense, a continual revolution of joyful change and transmutation, which is always uplifted by and supported by those natural principles – that goes out the window. We forget, and we cut ourselves off from what truly nourishes us, which brings us everything we need, and what feeds us. We all know, if you put a seed in the ground, then a cabbage, a flower, or whatever it is, will grow as long as we water it. If we talk to it, it’ll go faster, and it will be even more beautiful, but it will just grow itself, because it’s got its own self nature inside it. The human being is just the same and freely given is moving with all of that spontaneity, and those instructions that are already inside, watering the process, and never falling off the tightrope trying to make a system out of those mystery principles, and instead obeying the feedback that is in the whole body organism that keeps telling you, “Ooh, I kind of feel that business meeting isn’t right today, I better change it.” Or, “Well, I just feel to do this. I know it says that, but how about we just scrap that and we try this?” Or, “I know you don’t have the money, but I really want to do this. Can we make another arrangement?” And we are continually operating according to that live, dynamic aliveness that is the real human being, instead of that boxy, other, slave system that says, “These are the rules. Do it this way, and then you’ll be a millionaire,” and all of that stuff that we’re all sick and tired of.

ELAIRA: Yeah, those five steps and then you’re lucky. And I want to clarify one more question there, about this freely given still, because it’s so bugging me in my head.


ELAIRA: There’s so much concept about this giving, giving, giving, and I totally understand what you’re talking about. It’s way more expansive way. But there are so many people who get burnouts, where it’s just give, give, give, give and then it’s kind of abusive way of giving. So, how that works?

JACQUELINE: And this is such an exciting topic for me. We are not talking about harm here. In the purification space, if you are operating from your self healing ability, there will be no burnout. There will be natural replenishment all of the time and you will not encounter that burnout. It’s impossible. You will be taxed because you are so automatically and strongly creating and flowing and giving, but it’s like a muscle which is building which feels nicely tired after a massive workout. Not the kind of, “I can’t possibly continue!” Not that kind of burnout. And also, freely given is not just, “Give, give give. I don’t care what anybody gives me.” It’s not that either. That’s charity, which gets us into the whole religious world of finance, OK? Because there’s no harm involved, although there’s no expectation of being given, you are in right relationship with your own self. So, you are listening to your body and when your body says stop, you stop. And when you’re in a circumstance, where suddenly you’re feeling to say, “OK, I’m going to give a price tag now,” or, “I’m going to ask for a donation,” or, “I’m going to work by a certain type of donation,” or, “I’m going to have some fixed price and some donation arrangements.” That is being informed – from the inside out – by the purity of your own source connection. So, you are not in a trajectory of bringing harm to yourself or another, because you are already operating at a frequency where that’s not possible, because your self healing ability is switched on and you are constantly reacting and responding to what is there, live, in your system. That’s very different from operating at the level of the slave self, where patterns are already in place, to the majority rather than the minority. Because remember, when you’re in the purification space, there are still patterns, but they’re in the minority, and they are always being purified. When we have the slave self, there are just patterns running and then freely given is just the religious or charity-based idea of give, give, give and because you’re such a saint, then eventually the world will recognise that, and they will give you what you deserve. And of course, the flip side of that is that you have a notion about what other people deserve, and particularly about the “deserving poor,” and then you give, as well, your own money in a kind of charity sense. And you’re always coming from a place of deficit, because freely given, in the religious sense, is you actually exclude your own self. So, that’s the definition of harm, isn’t it? And actually, you don’t really have much care or concern for the other party, because you are projecting on them, already, a state of them being the “deserving poor” because there’s something missing or lacking in them, and then you need to give them something to help them – “help them” –  because you, are in some way, spiritually purer than others. That’s bullshit. It’s abuse, actually. And it all comes out of a lower frequency setting which is very dense. I don’t mean bad, I just mean something that is heavier and slower in its vibration, which, almost, is a bit like, we’re all down here, we’re all suffering together, we’re all pure, and we’re all spiritual together, and because we’re all on this very murky, strange wavelength, where the spiritual will always work it out somehow, because they’re better than everyone else, and because we’re all afflicted by suffering in this world, and so there’s a kind of good and a bad party, somehow magically, it will all sort itself out if we freely give our money and we leave ourselves out, and we don’t really find out who you are either, because we’ve already decided that you’re poor or better than someone else. These are all false values. It’s too “woo-woo,” for a start. It’s not grounded and it does not obey the frequency of nature. Nature does not starve an open network. Nature does cut off what is already dying, or that does not actually integrate with an open network, and it will shed and wither stems or even a limb that no longer is at the same frequency of the rest of a body, or a plant stem, or trunk of a tree. But, if there is an open network, it always nurtures, specialises and produces more abundance which benefits all, both at the individual level and the collective level, and there’s no distinction between the two. And you hear spirituality talking about these things, but it is only talking about them because it is operating from the level of the slave self. The slave self is always to do with a fixed system, a doctrine or a principle where it’s been pre-worked out, and it’s been extracted out of nature, what I was talking about earlier. It’s not actually the live dynamic embodiment of nature itself, which takes part at a setting of purity, and where the self healing ability is switched on at these new, much higher frequencies that we are now starting to operate on. Does that make sense?

ELAIRA: It does, it does make sense, and there is this part of me which wants to understand even more grounded way about this shift of donation and freely given.


ELAIRA: Because, in a previous episode, you shared a lot – very valuable information – to break down types of donations and how it works, and what is behind and what doesn’t work. And I encounter so many people who want to shift and it just doesn’t work!

JACQUELINE: Of course. Their frequency setting is not correct. And, you know, you can talk it all, to the cows come home, but can you do it? And doing it is really about, first of all your self healing ability being switched on, all of you starting to operate in alignment with your purity setting. You must actually be resonating physically, in that bandwidth. It’s a bit like an example I’ve given recently, on another podcast, where I have said, you know, you can pretend to be a Jaguar, but if you’re a Mini, it doesn’t matter how much you talk it up, you can change the seats, the doors, even the engine, but you’re still a high class Mini, you’re not a Jaguar. You have to be ready. And, now what’s happening is that the frequency of the planet, as it’s changing, because we’re changing, we’re actually driving the frequency changes on this planet, by the way, because those settings are going up, we’re accelerating and we’re becoming purer beings, we are starting to dispense with a lot of the slave self and the religious ways of thinking about money, our previous political and economic systems of, of financial, currency and collection of cash, virtual and physical, and we are starting to move more into an immediate, direct type of transaction where we just want to do it. And then we are being forced to actually live from the principles of no harm, to actually be able to come to a physical conclusion and financial success. We are being forced to drop what is abusive about us, and anywhere where our source connection has been contaminated with the frequencies of the slave self.

ELAIRA: About this shift of transactions – of cash, of the money system…


ELAIRA:…which we keep coming back, is donation ultimate goal of how our financial system will work?

JACQUELINE: No, not an ultimate goal. Nature has no ultimate goals. It obeys its own instructions, and then, on the feedback through all the other sentient beings on this planet, and the purity setting that it is calibrated in its own right, it starts to move and change according to all of those coefficients. So it’s always a mystery, where it’s heading, what the form will be that is taken, and it is always unknown. That’s completely different to the world of the slave self, where you already have a goal and if you’re not meeting that goal then you’re failing and you’ve got to find out what the proper rules are, or there’s something that you’re doing wrong, or there’s something deficient about you. The system is more, if we can call it a system, it’s just a mystery system, OK? The mystery system holds all potentials in it – both known and unknown. And, when you are obeying your own source connection, you have your own unique instructions, which you cannot mimic or copy off of anyone else. You’ve got to do it yourself. You can’t latch on to other things or other people or other ways of being. No formula will ever be able to substitute your own instructions. And it’s the type of operation where you become an expert in learning how to walk your own tightrope because you have your own relationship with the pole. You have your own particular set of experiences with your own body. And you even have your own tightrope. And that’s not to say that only you can do it and no one else. Actually, what it means is: yes, only you can do it, as well as everyone else being part of that through the filter of your own source connection. So it’s an individuality and an aloneness, which is simultaneously connective and interconnected. It’s indivisible. And it’s a separation, which in some senses is illusory, because it’s actually an interrelatedness, at the same time.

ELAIRA: So, why did you choose to talk about donations and educate people about it, and work yourself purely on donations?

JACQUELINE: Because of the nature of the work that I specifically do. It’s right for me. But it’s not right for everyone. What we will find, as the times change, is that donation will become a bigger and bigger frequency on the planet in a really practical, physical way, as part of financial transactions. But it won’t be the only way. There’s going to be so many different types of exchange coming up. It’s very, very exciting. Digital currencies do allow for that – healthy ones I’m talking about here, not the negative ones that still close out people based on the amount of economic value they already hold in their hand. There are so many permutations which are becoming available and we’re still going to see a little bit of that old, fixed value system playing in there as well, but it will be more in the minority and it will only be used in certain types of situation. You have to decide what is right for you. You certainly can’t copy what I do. Certainly, I am going to make available a certain type of donation system to other people, which is similar to what I do. And someone else is actually in the process of programming and creating that, through their own genius, which will then be available to others through that separate channel. But it’s up to you whether you use it and, of course, there will be many other platforms out there. And some people will be using donation wholly, some people will be using the principle of freely given and using donation in relation to that, others might use minimum donation. And the different types of donation that you find, actually, out there are quite diverse. And that’s before we even get into all the other types of collection mechanism – financially – that do exist out there, apart from donation. It’s going to be far more multiple, and people have to find their way with it. But the root of purity is always freely given, and then it translates through your source connection into the way that is right for you – out of all of the different multiple forms of financial collection you can employ.

ELAIRA: Jacqueline, it’s been such a profound and eye-opening conversation: the wisdom you shared, universal principles how nature works. Is there anything else you want to say yourself as the last wrapping words?

JACQUELINE: I would just like to say to everyone that, you know, I always say that the future is positive. But do you really realise how positive it is? You never know how incredible existence is. But I think that, today, and I hope very much through this podcast, which has been quite amazing, with Elaira interviewing, that there is a feeling now in you of something else being possible that is nothing else than all that you already are and always have been and were. And now, you will start to grow into the next stage of your own financial and business practices from your own purity setting as a result of watching that. And that is all freely given. So, really be curious to see what it does for you. And realise that if you are purifying and if you are at this frequency setting, this will work. And, if you want to do and be a part of more of this in the way that is right for you – not my way, your way – then let’s collaborate more together. Join the purification space. Get yourself signed up in the Reboot group on my website homepage so you start your own personal purification process deeper, and so that I hold you to that frequency where you are on that purity setting consistently that we’re talking about. Let’s give it a go. Let’s see what it’s like. I can tell you that you will feel more alive and more blessed and more grateful. And you will certainly have security. And you will have a type of self belief and dignity that no one can take away from you, whatever happens in the external world. And that’s the way to navigate these times: on the purity setting, everything is a win. And again, because you started off from an equality and a deep reverence for no harm, for the principles of nature, and the sense that all beings are equally valuable, and invaluable, without value – in the sense of not being able to be pinned down to a system or a price. That is the type of freedom that is possible now, regardless of everything that’s going on. You and life is freely given.

ELAIRA: Wow! That’s all I can say. Thank you, Jacqueline, so much, for this wisdom.

What does it take to switch from manipulative & fear-based marketing to authentic marketing? And why is marketing often extra challenging for sensitive & heart-based entrepreneurs? That’s what we talk about in this episode.

My guest Ayla Verheijen decided to go to the root cause of this topic of marketing. For years she studied psychology of widely used marketing methods, and disruptively shed all the “shoulds” of how marketing must be done. She created her own journey towards what she calls “magnetic marketing”, which is all about radically being yourselves. Sharing your true voice with the world is like coming out, and Ayla shares some of the deep inner work she had to do to reach that place. After 6 years of research, she decided to share her (un)training The Marketing Revolution, where she  brings Purpose work, Human Design, Shadow work  and her marketing knowledge together in a powerful and creative cocktail. The (un)training starts the 1st of October, and will be a journey towards yourself, towards embracing your unique voice, and bringing that voice out into the world fully.

Helpful links:
Ayla’s Website
Ayla’s Instagram Stories
Marketing Revolution Training
About Human Design 

Energetic Marketing

Elaira Tickute  00:06

Thank you for joining to welcome future with me. My name is Elaira. And on this podcast I invite non conventional business leaders talk about sometimes very disruptive, and totally new ways of doing business. And today on this episode, we are going to talk about shift from manipulative marketing towards what through and authentic marketing is, and practical examples how it really works. Here is a sneak peek of conversation with my guest Ayla.


Ayla Verheijen  00:39

Now you bring it up and you said there’s no titles on my website. So to me, the whole website feels like my title but more of an energetic title. And most people who come to my website, they’re like, I could really feel you like it. It really spoke to me. And I think that comes from way deeper than just the title.


Elaira Tickute  00:59

What I liked most about Ayla she decided to go to the root cause of this topic of marketing. For six years she was the diving, questioning all the details, shedding all shifts and how marketing must be done. And she created her own journey towards magnetic marketing, which comes from the truth and deep inner work she did herself. Welcome Ayla Thank you. It’s such a pleasure to have you here. We’ve been talking a lot about it and finally it’s happening.


Ayla Verheijen  01:39

Yes. And even in this special place in your beautiful little office.


Elaira Tickute  01:44

Oh, yeah. My home office. Yes. I was thinking a lot how to introduce you because I know we talking about being authentic and authenticity. Even I checked your website. I did my homework but it was so hard to introduce you in old fast ways like what you do what is your title? Because I couldn’t even find your title or your website.


Ayla Verheijen  02:10

I didn’t even know like, yeah,


Elaira Tickute  02:13

it was like, how do I bring you? How do we start conversation with you in authentic way? Actually, I would love to introduce you with your own words. And you said, Where are you right now? Is your marketing. Oh, we just talking about right time, so maybe you can introduce yourself? Where are you right now? 


Ayla Verheijen  02:37

Um, I like that. Like right now. It really feels I live in a grounded fairy deal. Oh, when like 10 years ago, I had like this picture perfect image. Like everything would be in place. amazing results. Amazing boyfriend, blahdy blahdy blah. But now I feel I have old and my company is flowing For the first time, I feel like my friends network, which is very important, really lifting me up or like, I wish my friends just like with our friendship and have a beautiful relationship. So all those outside things are in place. But when you look inside, you see it’s grounded very well, because Am I still triggered? Like, on a kind of daily basis? Totally. Yes, I am still triggered. That’s life. Am I you know, am I sensitive? And I’m like, oh, why is this happening to me? Yes, for a second. Yes. But those are just small moments, invitations to move to an even deeper place of the fairytale. Instead of that I feel all I’m obstructive, I’m not getting anywhere. So that’s where I feel I am right now in a very happy place, but not happiness, superficial way. There’s like so many things happening and there are days where I’m like, just Lying on the couch, just you know, completely started out like, okay, I cannot do anything else but this. But I think the difference is I learned more to surrender to that instead of fighting against it because I know it brings me Yeah, where I want to be most of the time, even when shits hit the fan in my linky toes. I’m still happy no and no like this is this is just what’s happening now and it will reveal me something sort of just fundation where happiness has left its superficial picture. Yeah, what it should be.


Elaira Tickute  04:35

Yeah. Beautiful. Yes. And talking about those titles and marketing. Is it any more relevant to say your title to bring your title or bring? This is what I do. 


Ayla Verheijen  04:48

In the past, it was so triggering to me. And always when I went to networking events, there’s like a question comes again. What am I going to see? And the funny thing is now you bring it up and you said there’s no title On my website, and it’s not even like a conscious decision. I just decided to create my website in a way that I like it, that I’m having fun creating it. And I feel like I’m expressing myself. So to me, the whole website feels like my title, but more of an energetic title. And most people who come to my website, they’re like, I could really feel you like it really spoke to me. And I think that comes from way deeper than just the title. But I want to know, if you get excited by your title, you’re like, I found the perfect words to describe myself. Go for it. Yeah. However, if it tracks you down, and you feel you need to put yourself in a box, but there’s choice, right? Yeah.


Elaira Tickute  05:49

Yeah, I love that because I still play with that. I love to keep my title because I love even the energy when I say those words. Exactly.


Ayla Verheijen  05:57



Elaira Tickute  05:58

And let’s start what that problem of why we are talking here today? Let’s dive into the topic. I even have chills just saying that. So, excited because it’s such an important bridge, expressing yourself to the world and what you do and what do you want to create? What I noticed there are so many people who want to create their authentic, heart based business from their core, and when they start, they still fall in those old ways of doing business. old ways of marketing. Totally. Yes. Why is that?


Ayla Verheijen  06:35

I’ve asked myself for a long time because I saw myself doing it. Like in my head. I knew this is actually stupid to manipulate people to use like little tricks or to kind of dirt trying to drag people into my courses in my head. I knew Okay, that’s not the way right. However, I started to understand. I can think I want to do it differently, but I have to change My being so I just start to do it differently. And what I noticed is that, I would say, especially for sensitive people, but I think for many people, what they learn to do when they were young is becoming someone else than they were. And this goes deep. This is just not the little bit. This goes very deep. So most often the parents will try to mold their kids. But also schools, if you look at them from more objective, outside perspective, their military, yeah, like, this is what we want you to say like over and over again. So in a way, we’ve been brainwashed to become someone else than we are. And in order to do that successfully, because we want success as a kid, we want to be loved, we want to be seen, so we’ll try whatever it’s needed to get that. What we do is we start repressing our intuition and we start repressing our natural radiance and our natural radiance is that thing which is actually our Marketing, which is actually super attractive, but also often disruptive because it’s so powerful. So those thing we started suppressing intuition radians are the most important things for our marketing. So when we’ve learned like for 2030 4050 years to suppress them, we cannot expect from ourselves shift from one to the other day into doing marketing in different way got to learn. We will be hooked by the old system, like there will be openings in our systems like insecurities, where that old manipulative marketing will hook into. And it’s what happened, especially at moments when you’re touting yourself. So I would just say, when you feel you think you should do something you’re doubting, and then start to look for marketing solutions, just that go for a moment. Because often when you’re already in a somewhat lower place, then you’re more vulnerable to that. So that’s something I Very important to become aware of and just not to do any more. I think at the moment, just sit with yourself.


Elaira Tickute  09:06

I can’t wait to dig deeper, you know, just sharing so many beautiful words and tips already about what is that magnetic marketing but maybe you can share more? What is that magnetic marketing and how it is different from this manipulative marketing that we are shifting from.


Ayla Verheijen  09:30

Give mean an hour? Magnetic marketing is going to the core of who you are, because if you don’t know it yourself, you cannot bring it into the world. And then when you go to the core, what you find there is gold. It’s such a strong, beautiful energy which is given to you to share with the world and it’s different for everybody. It has a different taste for everybody. For some people will have more kind of like a waking up vibe. And if you listen you can kind of feel does this resonate with me? So maybe waking up you’re like no, not it’s but maybe for you it’s more like you feel like I’m a loving vibe. Come on, we’re here to know each other right? That’s, that’s the main thing. And those people will say, Hey, isn’t that for everybody? Yeah, because always with your own Ico this you’re calling that energetic core like a frequency energetic signature. Yes, exactly. Your Signature and you always think from your arm but doesn’t everybody once then. But no, you wanted a little bit stronger than the rest of us. And often you’ve been trained in it by going through the opposite in the beginning of your life. So this person who has a very strong core of law fight within might have gone through us where There was lots of hate or violence like the opposite. And this is painful, but at the same time, it gives them such a deep training of you know what love is when you also know what love is not. Yeah. And then you can bring those people from one place to the other. So here we already see how your pain and your lines are very often connected to each other. And you said, What is that energetic marketing, I would say sharing your light with the world. And of course, we’ll probably go down a little bit more layers. This is still quite abstract. But this is to me the core of it. If we look at manipulative marketing, they say this is very beautiful opposition, they say manipulate the marketing. You have to change the other so they’ll buy from you. But you know, probably when you try to change your friends or strangers or whatever, never works, it never worry.


Elaira Tickute  11:55

Nobody wants to be changed. 


Ayla Verheijen  11:56

And of course they found very kind of nasty trick to play with your insecurities so it can work. But is that the way you want to go for long term success? No, because right now people are sniffing through that bullshit. They know I know what you’re trying to do here. The time is over for that kind of thing.


Elaira Tickute  12:17

Yeah, people getting really more aware and more sensitive to even though they don’t pick it up what’s wrong here but they feel something is up here. The bulshit radar is way more up. 


Ayla Verheijen  12:29

Yeah, exactly. And that’s only one hand trying to change the other on the opposite side. We go to that was manipulative marketing. If you go to an energetic marketing, you’re changing yourself. You’re connecting deeper to yourself, and it means you’ll become more influential. The confidence you’re radiating will become stronger and just pause a moment and think Who do you want to buy from? Its people who you feel are genuinely happy and confident.


Elaira Tickute  13:02

That feels good.


Ayla Verheijen  13:04

I want more of that too. 


Elaira Tickute  13:05

Yes. To be honest, I’m thinking how long back it started, but for me, a lot of people say it just feels right to work with you or I just felt impulse.  Because even Iwhen i ask: “What did you like about my website?” They cannot tell. Only “just felt right”. Yeah, it’s very true people more and more want to work with who you are instead of what you do.


Ayla Verheijen  13:27

And to give just one little very tangible example with your website, such a great example. You could have created your website and look like okay, what do others want, need to be on this page and then kind of like, push yourself to copy that formula? And then people would feel the energy of somebody copying someone else, not your entity, it would make a mismatch. So they would feel kind of like something doesn’t feel rrrr.


Elaira Tickute  13:54

Yeah, something is contradicting. Yes, exactly.



But now what you did probably is waiting. And I know it because you’ve told me (for the Human Design page). You’re like, I don’t feel like writing it. So you didn’t write it. But from the past schools, you’ve got to do this now. Because schools were pushing us and our parents, we learn to push ourselves, that’s the connection. And when we slowly learn to not push ourselves in, and if we don’t feel like writing it, no, don’t write it right now. And then you wait it. And then one day you said it just came out. 


Elaira Tickute  14:31

It came out all I was surprised myself. That was done in one day. Yeah.


Ayla Verheijen  14:35

Yes. And then what? What can be felt on that page? Your energy? Yeah.


Elaira Tickute  14:41

Yeah, very, very true. And talking about that, right timing. I love that you bring it up. Because what I know about you that you created this magnetic marketing course almost one year ago. Is it right or one and a half? The marketing revolution? So you have this beautiful training which is very extensive. Why didn’t you lounch earlier? Why was so long wait? For one year, it’s a long time and why now? Why does it feel right now to be ready?


Ayla Verheijen  15:07

Yeah, that’s a great question. And it’s true. It’s for one and a half years and even one year ago, my speech was like 90% finished. And I’m not talking about simple sales page. I created like the most creative while there were like several pages to in sight. I probably worked 40 hours on my soap page alone. That’s just a guess. But that’s what I’m feeling. And then I had it finished and the excitement was kind of gone. So I felt there were still some foggy places. If people asked me I couldn’t give a fully clear answer. For example, the finances what will they ask for? My boyfriend asked me and I started talking like yeah, this Tuesday. Okay, you can hear not like a clear answer, which I knew if I now would push it out into the world. I would have Do it by force. And I went already said to myself, I wouldn’t do that anymore. I wouldn’t force myself even though my mind was like, it was screaming like, come on, you’ve got this golden goose and you got to move the axe, right? It’s like, like freaking out. But I’ve learned also with the help of human design, which we’ll come back to later, but to trust my body and not so much my mind. So when my body would stop moving, okay, so here, I’m supposed to go and I’m just, I’ll wait and give it up. And I even didn’t know if I would ever offer this training. I made such deep commitment to never again, do sales for the sales to bring something out a project or training. Why I felt it hats to be here at this moment in time. And then Corona happens. Yeah, of course, this this will be such weird timing to do this training and all kinds of other things. Then all of a sudden, like beginning this summer I saw somebody else launch their training and I’m a manifesting generator so I’m work by responding to things outside of me. I saw that as like, oh, what about my own training? And then a combination came up of excitement but also fear, but I know death kind of fear that comes after excitement is kind of the expanding fear. So I know not to act on that and and stop. And because first getting the excitement, Like who? Oh, shit, am I really gonna do this? Oh, this is big. This is the biggest thing I have ever ever launched. And then I knew, because it’s so big. It’s like a baby. Yeah, you’re carrying it for nine months in sight and you’re not going to push the baby outside. You’re gonna wait till those things come, you know, the waves being traction. Yeah, the contractions like, you’re like, Whoa, just being pushed out of me right now. And that’s how I felt. Yeah, it’s it’s been pushed out of me if I want it or not almost like and then I felt when I started with x, I felt the excitement again. And looking back, I can see that some of the challenges I had and went through in the last one and a half years. Were the missing puzzle pieces for my training. So looking back I understand this is why interesting and it’s so beautiful. To recognize how much there’s extra for launching something from your heart or something that is so exciting or something that is even personal. And I know you’ve been working on this marketing material and in general marketing of being authentic marketing for six years or even more. So it was very mature process to come where you are now and share it and as well what I love you really, really embodied it everything you share, you went so deeply yourself. Exactly. And that’s what I want something really strong. comes up right now, but I trust it is I remember, I used to be very impatient. So big idea would hit my head. I was like, I want to bring it out. Now I want to have success. Now. I want to have money now, right? Like this very impatient child. But now I said it was a child. I know. It’s true in West like this, this inner child of mine that was so disappointed of not getting what it really, really wanted. And in dealing with that, and dealing with my shadows and really seeing like, Oh, that’s a really old part of me. Now I’ve become very, very patient because I know it pays off. Yeah,


Elaira Tickute  19:42

yeah. And this is really mature way of dealing and really knowing yourself way to create something and bring something to the world. Yeah, if you want to offer something life changing your life, itself should be life changing in the past. Otherwise, you can not offered that’s how I feel. So what are your biggest life shifting moments or takeaways in this process creating this training for people. For you personally, if you can share at least the one that pops up now the most


Ayla Verheijen  20:17

What pops up the most is actually the most obvious. First, I just saw the training the different modules, the topics I wanted to talk about and I was like, okay, because so big, this really needs to seal page in many cases I don’t make those pages I just post something on Facebook and before I know it, you know I do 10 or 20 seconds just on a spontaneous kind of offer. But here anyway, it’s big I want to speed and then I became so… energy turned from like sunny day to like, cloudy, foggy night kind of energy. Aaaa, sales page…. Because the moment that uttered the word sales page, all energy of old marketing came sweeping in.


Elaira Tickute  21:01

 Because to the word “sales” there is already so much attached. 


Ayla Verheijen  21:05

So it was like, oh, gosh, oh, I actually really don’t feel like it. But of course, I mean, my training is about marketing. So I said, wait a moment, wait a moment. Wait, wait, let’s let me unpack this. What’s happening here is like. Ah, this is still the old voice that comes up with things. I got to do sales page and the way other people do it. And it was so good for me to realize because sometimes I think it’s clear, right? We can do marketing in different ways. It’s not that easy. You just do your own thing, but this very, very moment where I thought, oh, I gotta do this, but I knew how strong the seduction or not even seduction with the pull can be from old marketing. If I even think now I have to do the same as others. I realized this is really important subject and then when I realized that I was like, wait, we’re going to turn this around. What if I could make myself page in any way I want? And then I felt Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and bound bars and like the whole creative channel was opening up. And he decided, I want to make playful, I want to have gifts on it. I want to have it like a game where you interact and when you’re clicking buttons, and you don’t know where you enter, I want it to be really an exciting journey to move through it. And then, I’ve never been so happy making a sales page. So there was huge inside like, Whoa, okay, what a shift is. 


Elaira Tickute  22:35

Yeah, and I actually love even how you named this “my non sales page”. Yes. Now, I understand the connection. 


Ayla Verheijen  22:43

Yes. It’s like the first thing it says is like this is “not a sales page”. When you come up with it. I wrote it out in letters, like the art of this is not a pie, right? A little bit tweaking with people’s minds.


Elaira Tickute  22:45

This beautiful example shows how important is to do your own inner work, face your own fears and shadows. And I love that you have this part part of your training. But maybe you can elaborate a bit more like why did you decide? Why is it part of marketing to do your shadow work?


Ayla Verheijen  23:16

That is a great question because it’s not often asked. So thank you. I would say really 50% if not more of your marketing is self confidence. And it’s been a word I’ve been struggling with a lot. And I’m not talking about the inflated self confidence because then we’re still in the realm of the automotive aftermarket. I’m talking about the real one. Every impacted, we see that self confidence it has its roots in the soil of your soul. Like it goes very deep down and that soil is where you shadows also are deep, deep down within you. And when you cannot root yourself you you cannot have real self confidence when you’re kind of pushing away your shadows what I did in the past, I would always feel insecure because every moment somebody could accidentally bump into my shadow or I would accidentally bring something outside. I would have to be always on guard. And that’s what you feel with insecure people. They’re like fidgety. Yes. You don’t feel that kind of calm and rest, like doesn’t mean they think nothing is gonna happen to them. The same thing is gonna happen to them like to the fidgety, insecure person. But they know I have looked into that seller. I’ve looked into those dark depths. I’ve seen what’s there. I know some of it might still trigger me, but I know it. So if it comes, I will bring it up and I can talk about it. I can deal with it exactly


Elaira Tickute  24:51

It’s more conscious. Because it’s always coming back. It’s always triggering you when it’s not conscious and you need to work on it. 


Ayla Verheijen  24:59

Oh, and it can be so dangerous Elaira. Because I went on a road if I wouldn’t have like, something’s happened to me, I could have gone in a very dangerous road where the more you kind of push away your insecurities and have that inflate itself, like “I’m doing great, right? I’m doing really great”. And especially when you meet some gurus who just help you inflate itself because they do the same to themselves. What can happen is you do the opposite, you start to use marketing to inflate yourself even more, and you start to ride grandiose stories, even though they don’t have like roots in the real world. You kind of make yourself bigger than your are and you become like this big, very fragile balloon and you’re starting to use marketing really as a trick. 


Elaira Tickute  25:44

It  is fake persona that you’re not.


Ayla Verheijen  25:46

Yes, exactly.


Elaira Tickute  25:48

And what is this obsession about presenting ourselves better than we are? Because this is a lot about marketing so far to paint this picture how awesome I am. How great what the great products I have. Look, I have solutions, you know, like it’s all about that.


Ayla Verhijen  26:06

 I get goosebumps right now. Because I’m like, whoo, this is this is such a fascinating alley to go in like we’re taking a site turn, like, yeah. That’s such a great question. Exactly. I think what I just said, we are brittle. Many of us are brittle in the sense of, we’re fragile. We’ve learned like as a kid to become this different person. And that’s the most painful thing there is that’s like you miss the connection to yourself. And the connection to your own source is so nourishing that’s what I’m when you asked like where are you right now? Actually, that will be the right answer. I feel that connection to my own source. Not to some sort of Guru has been pointing out no my own sore I can always rely on and nothing can take that away from me. But the moment I didn’t have to, and of course, I also want it to feel good. So you start using, and finding different ways to do that. And there’s so many kind of temporary ways like cotton candy, like sugar ways to kind of give a rush of feeling good about yourself. And actually showing yourself on social media and a beautiful way in a beautiful island with the palm trees and blahdy blahdy blah, or telling the story of the amazing money you made. It’s like Red Bull. It gives you like, super high peak of like, Oh, I’m getting these likes until you make it. Exactly, exactly, but you’ll see that after that rush, the crash will actually even be deeper, right? Because your system realized that this was just a temporary solution. And that’s why I won’t want to bring people to the core that entails yes connecting with your light but also connecting with all the shadows that are actually standing in between you and in the world


Elaira Tickute  28:10

Right. Yeah. So beautiful those two sides I really love that we talking about it. Just gives me so much joy naming it so let’s look at the other sides because I noticed some people realize that just telling this beautiful story with the words yeah very beautiful butterfly candy floss candy floss, I wonder this philosopher thing, but then the other people start to share like really vulnerable and their side of sensitivity and what they go through and where they are at which is beautiful. But sometimes I like I feel when people share the shadow I’m just drawn in their drama. It doesn’t feel right to me.


Ayla Verheijen  28:53

I just see the swamp and you’re like “help, help”.


Elaira Tickute  28:55

I think, why did I join here? So when is the right way to share your shadow and your journey and that side of maybe not “candy floss” and beautiful and when is not? how to know for people?


Ayla Verheijen  29:11

Hmm, the thing that actually comes up first is: everything we do, also everything we talked about in this podcast, can become another trick for your ego, even like sharing folder or be you think like, Oh, I got a lot of likes when I did that past time maybe I should just do it again and again and again and again. So my first question always would be, don’t focus on the content of what you share because no matter if it’s like the vulnerability or the beautiful thing to share both can actually be dragging down others Hmm. That’s that’s not just the vulnerable. It’s not about the content. What is my intention behind this post? Where do I come from when I write this. And this is huge difference to me. Already long time ago on Facebook, I realized I’m not here to be hurt. I’m not here to be validated. I am here because I want to offer something. Every time I post I asked myself, why do I post this? And I not like a mental question I ask what is it? I want to offer to the world? And would my past self have appreciated this post?


Elaira Tickute  30:30

Hmm, interesting question. Yeah.


Ayla Verhijen  30:33

Would have been helped in some way like feel like oh, a little bit of a relief or like seeing or like, whatever, from this post. And there’s some points are like: “nope” because you’re just showing off with something or Nope, you’re just like wanting something. Somebody to listen to you. I have friends for that. I’m not using Facebook in that way. 


Elaira Tickute  30:57

Yeah, it comes from the lack. And the other one you shared comes from what I give, what I offer, what is the abundance there that I can share.


Ayla Verheijen  31:08

And I think invulnerability, they’re amazing things to offer. But what I kind of serve between, like there’s a continuum between me being triggered and me being excited. And when I’m really excited about something, when I share that, that’s a powerful energy. And that’s a beautiful gift. Yeah, it doesn’t even have to be content, that’s a gift, but just that, that enjoyment and really sharing it that that’s a gift. But on the other end of the continuum, I’m triggered. There’s also a lot of energy there. So it can also be great gift when I share it from a point of Whoa, observation. So I’m not in the middle of it. playing out the drama. No, I’m not playing it out. I am observing it that actually Facebook can even help you because You know, other people will observe it too, it can kind of help you to stand in that observing place. That’s what it does to me. Like when I start talking about the trigger, I’m kind of almost forced to take a step back. How can I otherwise write it down clearly? And I think that’s important for some important differences.


Elaira Tickute  32:21

I love this question and this twist. And I know you have more in your pocket there. I know you have tons of tools to connect to that authentic marketing with yourself. Can you share a few more practical? 


Ayla Verheijen  32:33

Yes, great question. I think reframing is a great thing. So what I start to do is reframe my questions. So when, for example, a question how can I get more soups? I can say everybody here who’s listening to this podcast has once in their life has had this question in your head. What else are noticed? Often it’s not bringing me anymore. I Start to push because it’s often comes from I don’t have enough says I know more sales from like, again like from fear. So it’s not an uplifting question. So I reframe it. How can I become more of myself? And that’s a huge change. Wow Yeah huge change. So every time I start to ask a question about getting a result in the external environment, I reframe it back to myself and then I’m empowered again because I can change myself. I can change my results. 


Elaira Tickute  33:34

Yes, with that question you get triggered to be the slave view.  You know, like giveaway and adapt to each other. And with reframing question, you come back to yourself your own power your own sources as you say.


Ayla Verhijen  33:48

yes, yes. And then the other really nice reframe. How can I get more like some my last hour like Facebook posts, I want more likes. How can I love Myself deeper 


Elaira Tickute  34:01

Oh. I love this yes


Ayla Verhijen  34:04

Because if still somewhere you feel you need those likes there is somewhere inside yourself still a lack of liking yourself because that comes before loving yourself. I don’t think you need to start loving yourself, it’s not possible from very quick.


Elaira Tickute  34:19

Too big of the jump.Yes.


Ayla Verhijen  34:20

Yes. it’s surprising how many people really dislike themselves. Including me like in the past I really dislike many parts of myself and going to just liking and kind of starting appreciating Wow, that’s really beautiful. Like cultivating dead supporting points within you. It’s really like cheering like, like that.


Elaira Tickute  34:46

oh, this is a wonderful tips, I actually will use myself. Oh, that’s beautiful and it brings them really to your core and use one more term keeps coming up now to me, which I  really, really love. You use the word “grounded authenticity”? Can you elaborate? What is that? 


Ayla Verhijen  35:06

Huh? Yes, it’s also something I’ve been only using fairly recently. And it’s actually very simple. The moment you’ve looked at your shadows, and I’m not saying all of them, but like many of them, you come to the place of groundedness. And that’s like the base of grounded authenticity, this shadow work, I would say, and Shadow Work. I’m not telling like one hour a week, you go somewhere and telling you commit yourself to throughout the week, every day, if something comes up to say, okay, even if it doesn’t feel like comfortable, and willing to fix it in my own time, but I’m willing to face it because I know. It brings me deeper within myself and grounded authenticity is something very rare in this world. That’s what I want everybody to know. It’s very rare. They’re not many examples. So if you feel Hmm, what is it? It’s really helpful to single out this few people on Instagram and Facebook where you feel Holy Moses, they are really walking their talk, right? Really walking their talk. I thought a few times about making short list of these are my people because I’m very picky when it comes to that. Like, there’s a few people I’m like, who you really like being yourself, not with an agenda. Often this thing never has an agenda. It just wants to voice itself, but not with any agenda, not to get anything out of it. That’s huge difference. It’s just something once to come out. And then when you’ve removed the shadows, those are blocking it from coming out. Right. Those are like blocks standing in front of you and your voice kind of bumps into them and can’t really come up but when you slowly like look into them and it will dissolve whoo Your voice can go into this world.


Elaira Tickute  37:02

Yeah, it’s beautiful and I’m just seeing now I wrote a sentence from your other talk about what is embodyment of marketing or this grounded marketing and you say: “embodiment and creating marketing by being moved?”


Ayla Verheijen  37:16

Hmm totally.


Elaira Tickute  37:18

Yeah, I love that word as well, you just being moved because that’s what I feel is happening with me as well. My body just moves, just does the thing. I don’t think anymore actually my mind sometimes is behind is like what did they just say? What did I just do? Because my body is so strong. It’s so authentic. So just in the moment


Ayla Verhijen  37:37

Totally and that is very strongly connected to Human Design. Human Design gives you the tools to see like how do I go to the place of being moved even? And how does it look like


Elaira Tickute  37:49

For people who don’t know what is human design, because we dropping those words because we both are like deeply in this. Design The topic Can you shortly introduce what is human Design and why did you include as well, this part in your marketing revolution training? Hmm, yeah, it’s a big part, I would say it’s an energetic and practical roadmap to yourself, like, oh, there’s a road,


Ayla Verhijen  38:12

there’s a road. Oh, that is like not only how I make the best decisions in life, because that’s already very, very helpful. But also, that is where I’m picking up stuff from my environment energetically. That is where my strengths are, like, also my energetic strings. So I really see it as an energetic roadmap. And that’s why I think it’s especially for sensitive people. So but for everyone, but especially for sensitive people, I think it’s so relieving to see like, Oh, that is what’s happening. And it tells us, we all have a different roadmap. So we all work differently, which means we all have different marketing strategy. And which the marketing gurus Don’t say like, no, this is the way you know to do it. 


Elaira Tickute  39:07

That’s one way we all do it. That one box. Yes. Yeah. And and for me, human designers as well, basically your genotype, your genotype is not only your brown eyes while it is that you bring in the world, yes. What is your natural strength? What is your nature? And what is your nurture?


Ayla Verhijen  39:25

Totally, thank you for adding that when when I talk about marketing, I’m not just talking about showcasing your stuff. I’m also talking about what do I even want to showcase what do I even want to bring in this world and what are even my biggest talents? Because for many people, that’s actually a question struggled to and you say very right, because you design also shows us we often start living in the parts that are not as where we are most sensitive and insecure. We think we have to really like become Very strong because other people are too and where we’re very powerful that’s where it often kind of suppressed when we’re kids because it was so powerful so dare we kind of dump and our real force we have to bring into this road so can be really helpful on that side too. And what I love looking at is what kind of voice do you bring? So with the throwed arm for those who know you moneyline if there are any channels to to throw to see what kind of voice Do I have like what am I bringing? am I sharing about my emotions when it’s connected to the solar plexus? am I sharing my beautiful thoughts or ideas or stories when it’s connected to the mind already me sharing from this self to G center, my unique creative voice and those are very intuitive voice of course, when it’s connected to the spleen, very different voices, or how do I have an open throat and can I be flexible And how it should but again then you can look at the gates which are connected to the throat maybe 62 so you are here to share details and be very precise like my boyfriend. So it gives you a really nice kind of it like ah and I know it because my throat is connected to my decent so I always share from my own experience from myself it’s a very can be very vulnerable I will never share analysis you know if something is about theoretic framework or like those kind of things, because it’s just not in my design yet.


Elaira Tickute  41:34

Human Design is very scientific tool. So yes, precise, very detailed. And it just adds on what you say there are million ways of doing marketing. Yeah, you need to know who you are or not. So let go who you’re not embrace to your core who you are and share from that place.


Ayla Verheijen  41:53

Yeah, I could give for every type because that’s kind of the biggest subdivision which type Are you I could give a question which helps you with what to post if you want.


Elaira Tickute  42:05

Oh, beautiful.


Ayla Verhijen  42:06

So for all our lovely generators, including the manifesting generators, there are strategies to respond to life and to see if their gut is turned on by things or not, and then act on dead. So that question when it comes to sharing is like, does this turn me on? If attention? There’s two kinds of might be, you know, valuable sharing, because if it turns you on, it might bring live and energy and turn on to other people. But also, does it trigger me like the opposite because in both energy is happening, like lots of lots of energy, and those are energy time, so it makes sense for them. It’s not always so much about the content but more about like what energizes me. And then for projectors, it’s not always but it’s often it’s different. It’s often more so Word wants to be channeled through me and I don’t mean channeling in like the awkward sense just what message wants to come through me. What am I seeing? I think everybody should know because projectors have the talent of seeing and projecting and projecting so Derek, often not always depends on of course details in your charge which can change everything but this this just big subdivision. They can be amazing content shares. I’ve been so jealous of projectors because they can often go so deep because their auras penetrative. It’s like so focused. They can dig deep into a topic and bring it to the world in such a clear, beautiful way and it doesn’t need to be something they have been going through themselves. That’s what I had to understand like, Oh, I am sharing things I have been going through because I’m the Dewar more Yeah, for the projector, it’s about seeing, reading, observing, and that’s what they share more about. And then manifester, you can ask yourself, what is it the world needs to wake up to? Like, where do you want to give like the little pusher that little like, initiation? Yes. first domino, like, this is what I want to say, guys. It can even be around like the initiating energy. Yes. So you see quite very different for tribes. For reflectors, I don’t have very clear answer, because I still don’t know enough reflectors. 


Elaira Tickute  44:34

It’s 1% in our population, so it’s, it’s quite rare to meet them as well.


Ayla Verhijen  44:38

Yes. But talking about grounded authenticity, I could make up something, I could, you know, think of something, but I cannot share something from my experience. So I don’t have like a clear question.


Elaira Tickute  44:50

Oh, it’s so exciting. And it’s so rich, what you’re sharing, and I feel like “so when is your training”? When can we do it? Can you share a bit more about your training?


Ayla Verhijen  45:02

Definitely, there will be 11 meetings starting on the 23rd of September, weekly. And we’ll go into finding your unique marketing recipe, which totally works from you for you and which excites you. And there will be, as I already told, a slightly higher I said, quirky sales page. And I know if you resonate with it, it will be your thing. And if you don’t resonate it, it will not be your thing. There are three prices you can choose from. So I even created my own way of doing pricing.


Elaira Tickute  45:46

It was very unique. I’ve never seen it before. I really love it.


Ayla Verhijen  45:50

Yes. I’m also here saying, I trust you to pick that exact price that you’re like yes. This is like undercover This is like, Ooh, this is tickling me.


Elaira Tickute  46:02

Yeah. So all people will get the same thing. They just can feel what they feel contributing and what feels right for them. You bring to the world and say: “Yes, I put all of me here. I’m sharing it and you decide what feels right to you here to contribute”. So, it’s an invitation to connect to yourself. Not just telling this is my price.


Ayla Verhijen  46:25

Exactly. I want people to start to come from sovereign place, right? And not I need this training. Otherwise I won’t survive right then you’re already more in fact in place. Yeah. With every part. I already want to invite sovereignty, you know what’s best for you. I have no clue. I’m just offering something here. And I love it. But you only know if you love it. And also I want to kind of break that link. Where price is something for two years, I get tomatoes, mp3 As I get through, but what I want to invite is to see money as this form of appreciation and live giving, giving energy that’s coming from you and where I start to notice but this is only fairly recently that actually paying higher amounts can really turned me on. Because I feel wha This is all coming through me and it feels so rich. Like actually when I pay a high amount, I feel rich.


Elaira Tickute  47:29

Yeah, in a way you invest in yourself. You don’t buy training, you invest in yourself here.


Ayla Verheijen  47:33

Yes, I knew I needed to design every element because it’s called the marketing revolution. I could nowhere just copy paste something even not with prices, like every element. I thought through how do I want to do it and that’s exactly what I’m going to invite people for. I made very clear structure and at the same time, it’s going to be such a surprising journey. and inviting someone Exciting guest teachers. And on the one hand, we go into very tactical manner, like, should I use Facebook or Instagram or maybe LinkedIn? And if I post, like, what kind of things are I talking about? And videos and all those kind of things? Like a website? Do I even need a website? Right? Those are impressions very practical. And all the time. We move back from practical to energetic, and we’ll use those things as a mirror. So the moment you bump into somebody, you’re like, Oh, this is not working for me. We go back to the roots. We’re kind of finding out which bigger thing is behind this, right. So we’re going to use marketing also as a mirror to go deeper within ourselves. So there will be calling work, which is about finding your line and connecting with it. Most people really don’t know they’re calling the war. Be, as we talked about the shadow work in different modalities again, I will offer different options for people to respond to. Because different things work for different people. And totally there will be Human Design, like woven throughout the whole thing. I just see it as an energetic container you step in, you’re going on a journey, and you just leave as a different person more connected to yourself.


Elaira Tickute  49:25

Yeah, it’s really exciting. It’s really rich. And it’s really thought through. What I know about you, you walk the talk to really very deep level and I will put all the links of eilers information in the podcast. Go and connect with Ayla, subscribe because you have limited spots as well, right?


Ayla Verheijen  49:45

I have a waitlist where people can put their name on and then they will be the first at the end of August to who I share my sales page with. Like I already make that connection. And I did a Facebook Live people can watch. It’s on My personal Facebook profile all about marketing to and those kind of things I share with people on the wait list to to get a real feeling for what it is about, and you say limited spots. And I say no, that’s again. And of course it can be done. I never say don’t do it. But again, I didn’t want to do it because it can also be the scarcity tactic. Right? I know urgency, urgency, you need to end I’m totally not against it. This was just my decision like no limited spots, because I just know the right amount of people arrived number of people will be coming.


Elaira Tickute  50:39

I guess it needed to come out that you share this wisdom as well to show that part of angle, how you do trainings and how do you hold the space and container for yourself for and I love that for people who need to wait and sleep on it. You give enough space for them to think it through and decide


Ayla Verhijen  50:57

totally I so not want to rush people. When you have to decide within 24 hours is like the worst selling strategy. It’s like telling a man I meet on the street, you need to decide within 24 hours if you want a relationship with me or not. Yeah, it’s like, what? year it’s gonna happen organically or not. Right? Yeah. But I also want to give myself that time. So I know I create spurred by spurred I cannot create some things yet. So creating it step by step.


Elaira Tickute  51:29

Yeah. And then you can respond to people who joining needed a bit tailored to them and the energy underneath there. So yeah, so I like is there anything else you’re selling that maybe we didn’t cover? And you want to bring it up now? And to add to 


Ayla Verhijen  51:44

Oh, no, not at all. Actually, I know that question from other podcasts. But right now, I really felt the energy booting up for like this podcast is an interview and, and it feels very completed and my head Oh, starts to like, wow, like I can feel the potency and the energy contained in other words, yeah. So I feel like Ah, yes. And I need to rest.


Elaira Tickute  52:10

like we done


Ayla Verhijen  52:14

just to keep it real here. 


Elaira Tickute  52:15

Yeah. And it’s it’s very beautiful as well example to show because I feel the same I feel like my energy is like reaching the bandwidth. Yeah, like, almost complete with it. And that was my wrapping question. Yeah, like, Is there anything else otherwise, I really want to thank you for being here and bringing me this joy and sharing such a potent and so important fundamental things.  Just one practical thing I can add is dad to the little instruction where I am most active on a like Instagram, but you’ll mostly find me within the stories and those really turn me on Instagram stories and Facebook stories.


Ayla Verheijen  53:00

Yes, exactly. And Facebook I’ve always been active and there I share quite personal postal. So you’re very welcome to follow me there. And it inspires me even to do Instagram post sharing for different types for Human Design and different social media for different types. I found out that some are more suited for this medium and some are for death so


Elaira Tickute  53:28

Oh, juicy. So thank you so much for coming here today. It’s been such a joy, I completely was burst and you’re sharing so beautiful. And I will put all the links that people can find you and I’m looking forward to.


Ayla Verheijen  53:46

Yes, you’re the coolest interviewer ever.


Elaira Tickute  53:51

Because I just do what I love. And it comes natural. So thank you everyone as well for joining us today and And if you enjoyed it and you would like to hear more conversations like that, you can support this podcast. You can find my paypal link in the episode description. Thank you and see you next time.

I invited Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs again because I feel she’s one of the best people to ask all the questions about what is really happening right now in the world collectively and in the business arena; how to manage the shift that is happening; and where we are going towards. We will talk about a fundamentally different approach, how to be successful in business and dealing with money in line with the new earth frequencies and the new world we are creating, how donations are the foundation for future financial transactions, deeper clarifications of different types of that, and how true care and bonds of affection are the base of it all. Notes:
  • Jacqueline clarifies her mission – “embodying pure love.” 01.54 min
  • What does embodiment mean? 03.33 min
  • What’s happening right now collectively? Where are we going towards and how does it relate to business? 05.48 min
  • Why are people still asleep? 08.00 min
  • What are the challenges, opportunities and possibilities for people in this world as it transitions? 08.39 min
  • What would people gain if they could give up being afraid? 11.56 min
  • How does nature work and how does it affect human relationships? 13.08 min
  • What exactly are “bonds of affection” and how does the term differ from other terms we are used to such as partnerships, collaborations and business relationships? 14.59 min
  • What will our relationships look like when we are completely free of patterns? 17.05 min
  • How is the term “leadership” different from the term “Guardians of the future” which Jacqueline often uses? 20.31 min
  • What are the key differences between old currency and the new world currency? 22.31 min
  •  How do zero-based donations work? 26.28 min
  •  How do minimum donations work? 31.41 min
  • How do the new forms of donation compare to more classic forms of donation? How is the concept of charity flawed? 38.05
  • How does purification play a role when you forget something and can’t remember it? 42.36 min
  • What are the shadow elements on this planet? 43.52 min
  • What is bridging this humanity shift? How can we stay grounded right now? 44.49 min
  • What is the future role of technology and fixed, hard-currency transactions? 46.37 min
  • What does the near future involve? 51.00 min
Previous episodes with Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs: Future of Business Money and Business Oracle Girl aftercare page: Oracle Girl Facebook group: Collections of tracks about various business related themes done by Jacqueline: Business and organizations Money Money and leaving the matrix Money myths and materialization Success and taking control

Care: The New Currency

ELAIRA: Thank you for joining to “Welcome Future” with me. My name is Elaira and in this episode I invited Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs again because I feel she’s one of the best to ask all the questions – what is really happening right now in the world collectively and in business arena, how to manage the shift that is happening, and where we go towards? We will talk about fundamentally different approach, how to be successful in the business and money with the new earth frequencies and in the new world we are creating right now, how the nations are foundational for the future financial transactions, deeper clarifications of different types of it, and how true care and bonds of affections are the base of it all. So, welcome everyone, and welcome Jacqueline.

JACQUELINE: I’m pleased to be here, once again.

ELAIRA: And we meeting with Jacqueline for the third time. So, for those people who didn’t know, I really recommend to listen our previous conversations about the future of business, I think it was episode four, and about money and the business, which was our recent episode, which was as well very popular, by the way, Jacqueline.

JACQUELINE: Yes, the figures were incredible.

ELAIRA: Yeah, yeah. It seems like it’s really hot topic and it’s on everyone’s mind.

JACQUELINE: Purification is the big news in town because it is a completely new and different approach that is key to the new frequencies on this planet of the new world that is already here, and is not about the old system which means that everybody who wants to be successful in business and money actually can’t really be successful.

ELAIRA: Let’s dive in deeper today on those topics that you just shared on key elements of what is to be successful in this new world, in business and money.


ELAIRA: And what currency is in general, and how is it changing. And those previous topics that we talked about, though, I really recommend everyone to listen that before, because this is where I introduced you, as well deeper who you are and what you do and how your gifts work, and today I would love to take a bit different angle of your introduction.


ELAIRA: Can you share about your mission that you came here to do or you chose to do – it’s called embodying love?

JACQUELINE: Yes, in a way, I haven’t really got a mission because I’m just being myself. But, of course, that can be overly simplistic, really, for something very definite that I really am about. I’m a group of five beings. And we all have a very specific purpose, which is to alert and switch on, in every human being, the technology that you have inside your body – which is far more advanced than any 5G, any population control grid, or any type of new technocratic plan for this universe – that is able to purify out all patterns, within you and others on this planet, so that the instructions that are inside you, which you’ve brought here for these times to implement through business, new business, money and new money, networks and collaborations that are going to make this planet the place that we really, really want to live on.

ELAIRA: So, what does it mean, embodiment?

JACQUELINE: Embodiment is about starting to actually live and align all of your actions, not your thoughts or just your emotions, but all of the way that you actually function, aligning that with nature, the instructions inside you, and bringing all of that through your body so that your actual, practical, direct reality is truly a manifestation of pure love. And pure love is a type of matter, it’s actually what is running through all existence. It’s a different type of fabric of reality to what we have had previously on this planet. It is beyond truly enlightened. It actually locks out the possibility of war, disease or famine, just for starters, and it is a type of currency which places true care and no harm at the core of all human inter-relationships. Let’s alert everybody who’s listening right now to the fact that while they’re listening, don’t get too caught up with dreams inside your head or your mind mentally spinning off into fantasies of the future. My words function to bring you deeply into connection with your body and the sense of your own self, not anybody else’s, in this moment. See where you’re reacting and going, “Yeah!” And where also you’re going, “Oooh! I’m afraid,” or, “I don’t really know about that.” That’s a sign that, already, the purification that is possible in your own being, through your own self healing ability, is starting to occur because of this interview.

ELAIRA: And just to add on this, after you listen this interview, and especially if you do it several times, because that’s what I sometimes have to do after listening information Jacqueline’s shares, check her website aftercare section. I will put all the links in the episode notes below, so it’s easier for you guys to find all the information. Let’s start with where we are at, right now, in the world. So, maybe you can share where, collectively, we are and where we going towards and how does it really affect the business.

JACQUELINE: Where we are right now is so exciting! Because we are on the point of a massive wake up of all of the majority who have been sleeping. Finally, it’s coming. The minority of us who have known, since day one, what’s going on, on this planet and have just gradually furnished the details of the deeper picture, through getting more and more educated and involved with life out there, are finally witnessing the switching on now of the rest of the populations of the planet who, on the surface, and it’s only the surface, be assured, that have had no clue, really, about what’s going on and have not been able to see it for, the wood for the trees, so to speak. They are now, sadly through fear and confusion, contradiction, aggression and emotions inside them and a very deep state of terror of what might happen to them and their security and their children, are finally beginning to question and see through what is going on. That’s going to be very messy. And, of course, that bit is not exciting in the practical reality. But what is deeply exciting is that the quicker all of that happens and we use our power to purify, those of us who are already awake, alongside the actual waking up that’s very messy and painful and distressing, the shorter the timeline will be to real change on this planet, and the rise of a business and technocracy that is actually based on enlightened principles which support and benefit all beings.

ELAIRA: Wow. So why, why people are asleep? What’s happening?

JACQUELINE: Because of their DNA. What has happened, progressively on this planet, is that human beings have been switched off and turned down, literally right into their genetic function. So, they can’t even receive the frequencies and the vibrations that actually are higher, lighter, finer and more enlightened, they only function on a very narrow bandwidth. And so, the part of them that is ready for these times has not been able to switch on. Now, it’s coming.

ELAIRA: Wow. So, what are challenges and opportunities and possibilities for, for people in this messy transitions?

JACQUELINE: Well, the challenge is, first of all, keeping focused on remembering that you have the power to pull the plug on what threatens the future. Not falling into fear, not falling into suggestions which say that you should do things which bring about a negative future quicker, not turning on loved ones, and not buying into the illusion, the very empty, hollow and thin illusion, that something or someone out there has more power than you. You have the power. But it’s not a power that’s about taking away the power of your government or taking control of the streets or manufacturing business communities which fight the oppressor. It’s about taking healthy control, first of all, of your own source connection, so that you purify the patterns that sabotage your business collaborations, your true values in the world, becoming successful through your direct practical action. That’s the real challenge. Because even highly awake people right now are falling for spirituality, politics, and media presentations of those things, which pull you out of staying focused on your own body zone, what you’re here to do, and getting your business networks up and running, through purifying the patterns which would otherwise undermine them. It’s such an important point.

ELAIRA: It is, and it is so hard. We’ve been managed by fear for centuries.

JACQUELINE: Yes, and even those of us who are highly awake, our genetics have been messed with as well. But some of us are able, not only to switch on our self healing ability ahead of all others, but we’re able to switch on the self healing ability of others through what we do and who we are. And that’s so important to remember. It’s the switching on that’s important, not the reacting out of anger and fear and trying to solve the problems that are immediately in front of us which were created by a vibration which seeks to destroy us. If we react at the level of the problem, as we all know, we will just create a solution that feeds back into the problem and there will be a shadow side. That’s what our enlightened business networks must avoid.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and fear knows and focuses what you’re going to lose. So, maybe you can give people perspective what are they going to gain, if they would be fearless.

JACQUELINE: We are gaining a future where there is, in fact, one set of world principles designed and conceived by the consensus of the entire world population themselves, not leaders, where harm against nature and all life will be forbidden, and that technology will be used openly for the benefit of all beings, the profits and the mutual benefit and the acceleration of enlightened ideas, scientific theories, business mechanisms and money, currencies to put that into place, where we have a new future that lives closely in accordance with nature and the deeper understandings of how nature actually works so we become a highly advanced civilisation.

ELAIRA: And how that nature works, in line of human relations? Because you compare that a lot, but I think there’s such a disconnect.

JACQUELINE: Yes. Well, how long is a piece of string?” Because there’s a lot to the answer there. But basically, nature works the same way as your source connection. Nature works along certain principles that actually we all know very well, already. There’s the simple version, like gravity, which actually, in many places on the earth, is fast changing its coefficients but it still basically functions in terms of what goes up, must come down, OK? And there are very basic rules which if you push against them, you will destroy. If you do harm to others in the name of profit, then whatever you do as a profitable venture will ultimately fail and reap more of the same negative harvest. If you embark on a business project without first considering the impact on nature, and asking nature’s permission, and conceiving that through the technology of your own dreaming apparatus instead of a mental idea given to you by the external system, you will destroy nature and all people who you involve in your project. These things have been forgotten on business, and the currency of care which should be in place to benefit nature, all beings, including humans, has been absent. That’s what’s coming in, right at the core now, of all of our interactions, including in business, so that then business will build, very quickly, an amazing world through collaboration and high frequency healthy technologies.

ELAIRA: I love that you bring that care, and let’s talk about it a bit deeper. You use the word bonds of affections a lot, which I love. But what does it really mean? And why did you choose those words instead of partnership, collaboration, business, relationships?

JACQUELINE: Well, this term will be hijacked, just like collaboration and a partnership and all those words you’ve just used. But a bond of affection is where you feel a deep set of circumstances which binds you into relationship with that person because you truly, deeply believe in them and you, and it matters to you about them and you, equally, to the last drop.


JACQUELINE: It’s almost, like, not something that binds you but something that you believe in so deeply that the passion in you stirs, the excitement in you rises and you know, without a shadow of doubt, that what you’re embarking on brings something, however large or small, that is so much better for everyone, including the person or people you are collaborating with. So, it’s empowerment, it’s a vision. It doesn’t start with those things, but it flowers and engages a path of action where there is empowerment and a vision which is beautiful, which also inspires others and brings nothing but good, without shadow. It comes from purity. Your own source connection.

ELAIRA: It’s so beautiful, and I feel we still collaborate a lot from the patterns, because that’s what we always did.


ELAIRA: So, so, I’m curious why.

JACQUELINE: That’s why businesses still work out of patterns. They have no idea about the new frequencies on Earth, about their own ability to purify their own patterns, and to purify others, and that the new frequency on Earth is nothing to do with politics or spirituality, the old paradigm of business, or economics.

ELAIRA: So, when we purify those patterns, how does that look like? How we will relate? How those bonds will be when we will be free of patterns? We’ve never done this before.

JACQUELINE: What potentially happens is linked to, and is the antidote for, the current force on this planet that is trained on eugenics, world depopulation, and destruction of nature. That is part of, if you like, the mandate that is connecting the group of five that I am a part of. And when people start to embody their own ability to purify, because that starts to switch on through the recognition that it’s possible and the new frequencies that are on this Earth, first of all, the people who start to purify, slowly, their diseases and their illnesses and their afflicted, social and human and close family networks – that will all start to clean up. They will become more healthy, more awake. Your body will start to strengthen and take on the other super-ordinary abilities, which actually are just normal but we’ve forgotten about them, they will start to take them on. Time will completely collapse, the last vestiges of it that are left in your system, and you will go direct and you will notice that everything falls into place around you as you do it. Your biology will change and you will become lighter and finer. Your memory will return and everything that you need, both within and without, will start coming online for you, automatically, as you take control and command your own environment. This is what turns around the darker frequencies on this Earth, without even needing to protest or to set up a business fund to compensate people who have been afflicted by the latest rounds of coughs and colds, you know what I’m referring to. You don’t need a business to be doing those things. That all feeds into what is actually trying to dominate and take over. What I’m describing takes the higher foothold on physical and material practical reality, turns it over into the new frequency by making it real, practical, immediate and direct, through your body. And then, that reverses everything around you unlike itself, because it dismantles the patterns which are behind everything unlike itself, automatically. It’s a completely different approach.

ELAIRA: Yeah, it is so different that, even, it’s hard to grasp.

JACQUELINE: Can’t grasp it, that’s the point. It’s not about our thinking. It’s not about designing or planning. This is pure, innocent, direct engagement with what passionately moves you and which inspires you to a greater version of yourself because you know, even before mental analysis, that it’s deeply true. It’s a whole other language which the human is designed, as an instrument of power, to pick up, transmit, and make real.

ELAIRA: And, in line of that, can I clarify now, the term you’re using a lot, since we’re talking about leadership.


ELAIRA: You use the word “Guardians of the future”?


ELAIRA: I love it.

JACQUELINE: A leader is nothing but a guardian. The whole thing of leadership is just so totally overblown. We’re so over it, OK? And it’s just come to mean another form of dodgy self-interest with a very polite and well-manicured, superficial identity. We need to get past all this talk about leadership. We need a new understanding of leadership, if we’re going to keep that word, which is about guardianing our future. It’s about connecting with our own source connection, in collaboration with nature. It’s about embodying our own purity through our business community and then serving as a role model, living the life, already, that others will then be inspired to give a go themselves by connecting with their own source connection. So, there’s no plan or pattern to follow, there’s no rules or instructions. That’s the realm of guru-type leaders and we’ve seen the results of that. Huge financial empires that tell us what to do, just like huge religious empires which tell us what to do, which actually do nothing but replicate a fixed and dead, static set of instructions which disconnect you from your own source connection and nature, and then even justify violence against others through currency, financial transaction or through religious principles, and tell you that you’re actually serving a better or higher interest.

ELAIRA: And this new and old world, I understand that maybe the future currency is not fully there yet, graspable, but maybe you can highlight what are the key differences between old currency and new world currency.

JACQUELINE: The new currency has always been here, we’ve just been too afraid or too brainwashed to use it. It’s the way our body already operates. Everything that keeps you alive and getting up in the morning is freely given. Now, the minute I say that word, people go into ideas of charities, donation and all the business structures and tax and economic ideas and systems which have been constructed around those concepts. But actually, giving freely is the wind that blows in your face. It is the deep breath you take as you dive into the ocean. It is the movement of your eyes as you open them in the morning, on waking. It’s the feeling of sand beneath your toes as you walk across a beach with no footwear on. Given freely is the movement of this universe that naturally shapes, inspires and triggers you to initiate something out of your own personal reservoir of joy and inspiration. For that, you need a body. The stimulus from nature, life itself and the purity of your own being comes first. And then you think, “How am I going to do that?” You share the idea. The currency starts to flow behind that inspiration, which is pure love, joy in dynamic movement, and then people organise themselves around the collaboration which seems to keep that joy and love, that currency of care, flowing. People get depressed if they notice that flow disappearing or the energetics of the situation going down, and feel heavier. And they then interact more in the determination to weed out what’s getting in the way, so that currency of care flows more. And then, what they produce and bring into materialisation naturally brings money, or whatever currency is being used, because it is so damn enticing, wonderful, extremely exciting to be involved with and people just can’t stop themselves. They want more because it is so free and pure. And then, we bring in the technology, the data collection and the finance collection networks, which are healthy, that are based in egalitarian and mutually beneficial principles to make that actually further and continue, the more people we find want to cooperate with us. That is how it works. And you can put into place those networks with a number of different types of collection of what we now call financial currency mechanisms. It can be zero donation based, it can be minimum donation based or it can totally abandon collection of financial revenue altogether. Let me just expand on some of those terms I’ve just given you. And let’s also distinguish it from what we see as fixed or hard currency transactions in our current business world, so we can be absolutely clear. And let’s also distinguish it from the classical term of donation as well which is very religious. Really tease this out, OK, through, and you can ask me questions as we go along as well. So, I’m going to talk about zero-based transactions, I’m going to talk about minimum-based donations, I’m going to talk about hard currency transactions, and also donation-based transactions which are more linked to charity ideas and, actually, religion. OK? Those four areas.

ELAIRA: Mm-hmm.

JACQUELINE: Zero-base donation is where we have some type of mechanism underlying our business to reflect exchange. So, everything is freely given according to this currency of care, inspiration, joy and excitement, the purity of our own source connection, because we’ve already got something in place where we are purifying our own source connection. That’s the purification space. And we are then saying to people, “Do you want to be involved too?” and when they are saying, “Yes,” we are saying, “OK, we operate by zero-based exchange. We would like an exchange for your collaboration and cooperation, we would like that in place. And we’re going to use zero donation. That means you have to give something through a financial or currency-based collection mechanism but it can be anything, including a zero financial value.” That, in a way, if you like, is the truest match of being completely, freely given, because someone can give absolutely anything, including zero, as a financial exchange. What usually happens, and this is the way that Oracle Girl functions, is that you find that people are so overblown and governed by their heart apparatus, they almost never give zero. They give purely what inspires them to give which is the most accurate determinant of the currency that needs to be given in that situation and then, because they keep on wanting to come back, because what they’re doing is so enriching for them and so mutually beneficial, if at any time they do have a financial issue, they understand that they are within an embrace where, temporarily, they can give zero or a lower donation to reflect their own practical circumstances because there’s room for the support of them while they are building and growing and they will give more back later when they are successful. That is a zero-base donation system. Isn’t that beautiful?

ELAIRA: It is.

JACQUELINE: So beautiful, uplifting and beyond our wildest dreams that you could start, today, to build business through a donation collection mechanism linked to your purified source, source connection that involves absolutely everybody who you need to be involved, right now, without waiting for some distant day in the future when you’re well enough, strong enough, financially successful enough, trained enough, experienced enough, with enough of the qualifications. All of that takes a new position. It doesn’t go out the window. All of that comes back in.


JACQUELINE: Through another channel, even more powerfully and strongly, but in the correct place. People are first. The direct context, and the needs of people, come first. Source connection is placed at the core of the interaction, and purifying your source connection of any patterns that might sabotage that business venture and those collaborations. And then, all the other stuff, which you’ll be able to do gradually, in line with the natural process, is strong. It is safe. It does not undermine or harm or lengthen or protract the process. It adds even more value.

ELAIRA: It feels so liberating, Jacqueline.

JACQUELINE: That’s how the future looks. That’s what the new business model and the new business frequency is.


JACQUELINE: Minimum donation.


JACQUELINE: Yes. Minimum donation is where you do not have the option of giving a zero financial amount, temporarily, as an exchange. It’s the same as what I was just describing, the zero-based scenario, but it does not include giving actually zero, that’s all. It says, when you give whatever you wish to give, and the emphasis is on what you wish to give, purely from your own genuine wish, you can only give a certain value or more. It does not include the giving of zero. That’s the only difference. And a minimum-based donation system is sometimes very necessary for people who are early in the purification process and who still have many patterns or do not feel confident at starting a business with a zero value. Because it can be a huge risk to take, to embark on a business where you set a completely open, zero value as being a possibility, alongside all other values, if you still have many patterns undermining the way that you collaborate with others and embark on your practical business life. And we need, often, a mixture of both. Some people like to mix both streams within their business, or they start with one stream and swap over to the other as they deepen and become more confident and successful.

ELAIRA: I was assuming that minimum-base donation is more honouring your needs in the moment, and your own boundaries.

JACQUELINE: It is, but it is a function of something larger.


JACQUELINE: And so, it’s really, completely, different to that. If you just function, if you just work according to your own needs, and when you make a minimum donation, you might say, “Well, I’ve got £10 in my purse, so basically, I need £1 for this, £3 for that, £4 for, I don’t know, that. I’ve got £2.50 left, whatever the mathematics is, that’s what you’re getting.” So, it functions, it functions more in a purely individualistic realm.

ELAIRA: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

JACQUELINE: But when you are functioning within the arena of something being freely given, as dictated by your source connection, the principles of nature, your local community and the world that you’re a part of, another factor cradles that decision about what you give as your minimum donation. You start to function, function according to the value of, “Yes, but, right now, that bit doesn’t matter so much or can be put on hold. It’s not just about me.”


JACQUELINE: “What’s the minimum I need to function on, in the greater interest, interest of serving this incredible vision and also what I know to be truly right?” For, for example, the global world crisis that we currently have on our hands, because none of this has really been paid attention to, what I’m talking about. And then, the minimum donation becomes, “Well, I’m only going to give £2.50,” to “Yeah, if I just think of myself, I’d love to give just £2.50 because then I can have all the things I want, as well as a bit of that as well.” It moves to, “I’m going to give £5 right now because that’s all I can afford, honestly and truly if I honour my basics, but I’m going to take the risk and I so believe in this I’m going to give £5 because I know that what I’m going to be making possible, as a result of this collaboration, will bring more back in, and then I’m going to be able to cover those things of mine that I’ve put on hold, and I’m also going to be able to make so much possible for others, I will have more to give back into this, in the future.” That’s the type of minimum donation I’m talking about. It’s the values that run through this whole space. The purification space is about investment in our future, and the new frequencies that we want to see, for others as well as ourselves, in the understanding that the narrow, limited world of self-interest, simply not working.


JACQUELINE: Does that make sense?

ELAIRA: It does. It does, really. It, it shifts, kind of, different channel of thinking.

JACQUELINE: It completely does.


JACQUELINE: You know, as you can imagine, especially when I had in-person events, which of course will be returning in the future, some people come along and go, “Oh, it’s free. Oh, I can give nothing. Just walk out the door.” And, of course, they can. They are completely free to do that. And there will always be people who do that. But gradually, as you stay in the purification space and you start to understand that your own self healing ability, when it switches on, brings so much for you and others, and that the gift of the purification space and the recognition of it and the embrace, externally, that’s being offered to you is so essential for the survival of every single human being on this planet, right now, you start to realise and develop a humility and appreciation that wouldn’t make you dare to walk out the door and give zero because you know how much is at stake and how important it is to really, honestly engage with what you can truly give, either by zero donation or minimum donation, to ensure the wellbeing of yourself and others. That’s a completely different world, but that’s the world that new business is now in charge of.

ELAIRA: So, about that donation is equal free, I encounter that belief so much. Is it that part of your third pillar that you mentioned about this?

JACQUELINE: Yes, it’s charitable donation.


JACQUELINE: Charitable donation, sad to say, is based partly, not wholly and not in the case of every organisation out there, let’s be very precise, but it does have roots, in essence, in oppression and slavery. It is underwrited by the values which say that someone is above and someone is below, and it says that someone who has been made less worthy or is less worthy is a deserving poor. But what principles made someone a deserving, worthy person? Or, by what principles did we decide that someone was above to hand out to those below? I mean, how fucking magnaminous is it, magminious is that, or whatever the word is, excuse my language. It is rooted in a hierarchy which says that some are more worthy or better or more successful than others. Some are definitely more successful than others, but only because they have less patterns. If you’re more successful, it’s because you have less patterns and you’re able to embody more of your own purity. And that happens as much by accident as by design. It’s partially determined by your genetics, your place of birth, the family that you were born into and then, the ability that you have to apply all the things that you were given. And there are so many ingredients, it’s very, very arbitrary, still, on this planet, who and what will be successful. Just because you were born into a rich family and you’ve got money doesn’t mean you’ll be successful. There are many people who are poor, who have the ingredients of success, but cannot use it because they have patterns in their source connection which undermines them. And those patterns are not their fault. A culture of care determines and starts from the platform which says that you may well be controlled by factors totally beyond your own control in this lifetime, as a starting point, which is a simple matter, then, of having to raise your frequency to a point where your self healing ability is switched back on. So, the charitable model – which is based on hierarchical ideas which we find in conventional politics, economics, business and spirituality – that says, once you have made your profit, which is usually, but not always, but usually coming out of an approach which rapes, pillages and undermines the personal sovereignty of others: “I’ll throw you a bit of my bonus, that I can afford, once I have furnished all of my own self-interests, first.” That is not the world that we really want to see if we want to serve and guardian a truly beautiful and equal, mutually beneficial future. Unfortunately, the roots of charity and profit, in many and most but not all cases, are totally corrupt. I’m being rather strong today, aren’t I?

ELAIRA: And I love it! It’s quite confronting but, as well, it’s very clear, what you share.

JACQUELINE: This is urgent! Survival – of you and I, this very moment – depends on people understanding this and switching to the new frequencies, right now, in our body. In a few months, even, it will be much harder if all of us don’t start to switch our conscious understanding into what I am talking about here. We live in very extreme times. Let’s not forget our point three, shall we? What was it?


JACQUELINE: Can you remember?

ELAIRA: It was zero donation, minimum donation, charity, what is four?.

JACQUELINE: Can’t really remember myself, but I’ll come back to it, I will remember shortly. I may have covered it already in what we’ve talked about. Often, if these things disappear, it’s because they get covered, even faster, in the space as the words come out. That’s what purification is about. It all starts to get wrapped up and dealt with, all directly, online, in the same space. So, even the way you start to plan and structure it out, before you begin to embark on the physical process, gets covered quicker. So then, when you reach for that third point that you said so clearly that you wanted to make sure you covered – it’s gone – because it’s already been re-written. Future re-write. That’s what new business is. Re-writing the future, taking up the tracks on what’s already rolling out, that can be covered even quicker and that may not be beneficial for everybody, all beings, and setting it on a new timeline of action and personal mastery that brings what we want to see, into reality, even quicker. It dismantles and disengages. It undermines the shadow element on this planet.

ELAIRA: Wow, and what’s the shadow element on this planet?

JACQUELINE: Is the impulse within certain individuals – not those individuals themselves – the impulse within those individuals to embark on killing, eugenics programs, the abuse and torture of, particularly, young life, in the name of frequencies entering this planet which bring about more destruction, particularly of nature.


JACQUELINE: Worship of blood, as well.

ELAIRA: Oh, I have chills!

JACQUELINE: Of war, if I am correct. This used to be called conspiracy theory. It’s actually truth. It’s only called conspiracy theory by people who are still asleep. This broadcast will start switching on their self healing ability, particularly in the area of new business, so fast, it will be unbelievable.

ELAIRA: So, I’m curious as well about that bridging part of this shifting. You know, we took overall what’s happening, what’s going to happen, what’s leaving. If you could give tips and advice in very grounding way, here and now, what would people benefit to do first now?

JACQUELINE: It’s already happening.


JACQUELINE: Stay trained on your body zone. Feel and listen to the excitement inside you that begins to rise as you hear this podcast, it’s a medicine, and then start to share the ideas that come to you, collaborate with others and find the practical ways to put it into operation and be determined to let nothing stop you, through your own ingenuity and your own pulling on your own source connection, in collaboration with the people who start to get excited with you, you will make it happen. And get a personal purification for the patterns that undermine you alongside, so that success is guaranteed. It all comes out of the same space. That success is guaranteed because the personal purification starts to switch on your own self healing ability to purify your own patterns, making you truly independent of the purification space itself while collaborating with it, for the time you need to switch on.

ELAIRA: Mmm. And can I bring one of the last questions, which I really would love to involve now in this beautiful conversation, about the role of technology?


ELAIRA: Because it seems like you mentioning a lot about business will have to go online, technology, A.I., cryptocurrency and all these aspect which involves technology. But what is the role, for the future, of technology?

JACQUELINE: Yes. So, we’ve got several things because I’ve remembered now what the third point is.

ELAIRA: Oh, great!

JACQUELINE: It’s about what hard cash or hard currency transactions are by, by contrast, OK? So, this interim period is what you’re asking about, we’re very much in transition, aren’t we? We’re moving from the way that hard cash transactions work, which is to set your price and say, “I’m worth it. This is what you’ve got to pay. If you don’t pay it, you don’t get it,” which is divorced from nature, it is divorced from the party collaborating, their needs, it’s certainly divorced from any care whatsoever in your personal circumstance. And it, so it seeks to assert or dominate, with a certain vision of the way that your skill or ability operates and how much it’s worth. We’re moving out of that because the simple and plain fact is, that if you want to get your back fixed, and it’s 80 bucks, you can’t afford it. So, the majority of products and interactions, however good and however advanced that practitioner is, simply do not work anymore. Plus, the fact, because of a recent spate of colds and coughs, we’re not even allowed to offer some of those things physically. So, a lot of us are finding that, for no good reason whatsoever, we are not allowed to actually offer our skills and our practices – physically, practically, on the ground. And so, we are faced, temporarily, while we all sort out where our values are truly aligned, with offering things online without such a physical component. So, the near future also involves a massive take up with people who know how to get you organised, virtually and online, and those people themselves interacting with you, through the currency of care and operating with donation-based systems, to facilitate you to be even to be able to put your businesses online because otherwise you won’t be able to afford their services either. Everybody is faced, in this near period, with learning how to operate technology, to put yourself online and to collaborate with and use financial collection systems that operate by zero or minimum donation or much, much lowered, hard, fixed-currency amounts that people can actually afford. And actually, if you persist in using hard currency fixed-figure transactions through the old system, your business will self-destruct because you will remain part of the network which is going down. And that network which, of course, is laced into the currency of war, blood, disease, oppression, hierarchy, and the values we were talking about earlier, which are negative, they are going down because the new frequencies which have arrived on the planet will not tolerate them. That’s what’s in control. And how did those new frequencies arrive on this planet? Through your body. It’s your body that’s in charge in this next period – nothing and no-one else. And that’s why there’s such an attempt to mandate and take over your body and say you can’t use it, and that you have to have something put inside it which will definitely disconnect your body and actually destroy your body. Get it?

ELAIRA: Oh my goodness! Now it all connects.

JACQUELINE: Yes, it all makes sense. But, you see, people are not going to buy it. So, the near future also involves a massive struggle, a wave in humanity, in the consciousness layer, of reorganising very quickly around deep inner truth, rather than external versions of information truth or information bullshit, OK? There is going to be a massive wobble that, of course, will filter through the practical, physical reality as well, and all the financial currency systems, ‘cause they’re going to collapse and try to reorganise. Printing of money will not work anymore. That wave will disconnect you from all of the external and it will plant you firmly back in your source connection. So, the near future involves: purification of patterns that get in the way of you connecting with your self healing ability, your ability to purify your own patterns, setting up networks that involve donation-based collaboration on zero or minimum-based currency of care, through donation, and safeguarding your own body, making sure that you remain aware of your own body zone and not losing your power to your emotions and things that get whipped up by those external sources, physical body practices that keep you online with your own connection, business spaces that are talking about all of this and empowering others to explore where and how they need to act for themselves, not adopting other people’s models but working out for themselves what they need to do, and putting their own plans into place, and also, going back to nature, more directly, in your use of technology, in the way that you live and eat and function in your everyday locality. Those are all themes we’re going to be covering in the Oracle Girl community space on Facebook, in the next few weeks. Many, many people are starting to join that space, it’s on the Facebook Oracle Girl page and if you join, it’s a private group where you will receive access directly to all of those spaces.

ELAIRA: Yeah, beautiful. So, I really recommend for you to join there and take journey, practically, deeper. Jacqueline, thank you so much for such a challenging, clear and informative conversation today.

JACQUELINE: The future belongs to us and the future is new business – with a currency of care. Thank you.

I just love to have conversations with non-conventional thought leaders but Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs in my eyes is beyond even that. She has an extraordinary ability to purify the blocks and patterns sabotaging your success – switching on your own innate superordinary abilities. She says she is one of a group of 5 others in the world, all with similar abilities. I couldn’t hold myself back but invite this truly unique person to my podcast again and this time, hear the wisdom she has to share around MONEY AND BUSINESS. In this episode, we talk about how the financial paradigm is changing, why the “conscious business” concept is not enough, what money really is and key misconceptions around it. At the end of this podcast, Jacqueline recorded a special “purification track” just for the listeners precisely on this theme. It starts at the end, right after our conversation, at 49 minutes. It is highly recommended, so please make sure you stay on to hear it. 

Episode notes:

  • Jacqueline’s extraordinary abilities and why this is not a typical podcast.
  • Why did money become such a fundamental definition of success in business?
  • How is the dominant financial paradigm changing?
  • Why is the “conscious business” concept not enough?
  • What really is a family pattern, where does it come from & how does it influence us?
  • Why do people stay in their miserable jobs and how is that a deep form of slavery?
  • Is company success mostly influenced by its leader’s patterns or can the team balance it out?
  • What are the “self-healing abilities” we have, how do they work and how to listen to your body to be successful?
  • What are the most common patterns people have, related to money?
  • What really is money?
  • What is the true definition of pure love and what are the misconceptions about it?
  • Where does the concept of working hard and time pressure come from?
  • What is the role of business role in the future?
  • What is the role of business regarding the money paradigm change?
  • Why does shifting from a profit-based business to non-profit not always work, ending in disappointment?
  • What is a “zero value organization”? Or in other words, what is the role of donations?
  • Is money going to disappear in the future?
  • What you should do right now if you are struggling? Practical tips
  • Jacqueline’s contribution and focus in the near future for helping businesses.
  • Purification track (starts at  49.02 min)

Helpful links:

Various Jacqueline’s tracks regarding the topic of MONEY.

Various Jacqueline’s BUSINESS AND ORGANIZATIONS tracks for doing better business. 

Information about AFTERCARE which is important if you were listening to this podcast.

Contact here if you would like to work with Jacqueline on your business & organization.

Listen to our first interview together called “Future of Business and Organizations”.

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Money and Business

ELAIRA: Hello, and welcome to “Tea & Business Lounge” podcast, Episode 6. I just love to have conversations with non-conventional thought leaders. But Jacqueline Hobbs, in my eyes, is beyond even that. She has extraordinary ability to purify your patterns and switch on your own innate super abilities. I couldn’t hold myself but invite this truly unique person in my podcast again and hear her wisdom she has to share around money and business this time. So, we will talk today about how financial paradigm is changing, why conscious business concept is not enough, what money really is and key misconceptions around it. As well, at the end of this podcast, Jacqueline will do so-called purification track for this theme. It starts right after our conversation. Hope you enjoy it.

ELAIRA: So, take two Jacqueline. Welcome.

JACQUELINE: Ah, very pleased to be here.

ELAIRA: It’s so nice to have you here, and to have you here again, actually.

JACQUELINE: Yes, it’s very good to be returning and continuing.

ELAIRA: Your last podcast got a lot of attention, and today it’s about another very interesting and very fundamental topic.


ELAIRA: Money…


ELAIRA: …and the business.

JACQUELINE: Always on everybody’s mind.

ELAIRA: Exactly. But before we jumping in that topic, for those people who don’t know you, maybe you can introduce yourself and explain why it’s not typical podcast.

JACQUELINE: Yes, because I have a very special gift, which I’ve come here with, and that I knew that I would come here with. I’m here to accelerate the opening up of human beings so that they understand, first of all, that, not only do they have the ability to delete their own patterns and personal issues, particularly in the business area, as well as their personal lives, but that also I can help you to really materialise that vision that you have for the future, around a world where we might be honouring the environment, benefitting each other, in our communities and personally, with our money-related affairs, and actually building a kind of society that we’d like to see for all beings. That’s the task upon us at the moment in this time in history, and I’m here to really help with the actual change in the human being that’s necessary to take place for this to be successful, practically and really.

ELAIRA: Why it is not typical interview and why it’s not typical podcast here?

JACQUELINE: Because while you listen to my voice, you’re actually going to be dropping some of the personal issues that you have in the way of being successful. I emit a type or frequency. My body is very specially designed to help people change and to lose the blocks that they have inside them. And at this point in our history, we are actually living in a time where we are able to get past our issues now and actually shed them and reject them from our system. And I have the ability to speed that up in people and, actually, to switch on that faculty inside them.

ELAIRA: So, it’s already happening while people are listening.

JACQUELINE: Absolutely. If you listen to my words, or if you see my image, or if you’re in my proximity, you go into that process, automatically and spontaneously, which is, in some ways, quite a challenging thought, right? Because we have the idea, in business as well as in our own personal development, that we have to really, really work hard at things and that maybe one time in the future, after a lot of effort, we might have some success. And it’s not that the process might not be uncomfortable or difficult, but that actually now we have the type of vibration around in our everyday life, and even within us, where we can actually start to switch things on a lot faster and go through that process more automatically and have it at our fingertips a lot more than we would have thought we have.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and I can relate to that personally, because I’ve been listening your tracks and my life went up and down…


ELAIRA: …a roller coaster, and last year to the depth I couldn’t even imagine…


ELAIRA: …myself. So, I do understand that sometimes to hear this sounds like, “Huh?” But I can tell from my own experience.

JACQUELINE: It would seem to be in the realm of the superhero or the miracle. But actually, all of us, especially if we’re going to grasp the challenges that are, we are being faced with, we have to get used to thinking of ourselves as actually super-ordinary beings, not in the sense that we see in the movies, but truly capable of things that maybe we’ve been trained to think that we’re not. And we have to get used to thinking of ourselves as having resources and having, also, abilities that perhaps are latent that are already there. And we may have to learn about how to use them, once we find out that they’re switched on in us, but actually, the switching on itself is something that now is happening as a gift to humanity that is part of our own consciousness and our own wish that we’ve brought and drawn towards us.

ELAIRA: So exciting to really hear and dig deeper in this theme. And let’s dive into that topic: money and the business.


ELAIRA: So, the world is really, really changing. And I’m curious why money became such an important aspect – of definition of success – in our society, in a business.

JACQUELINE: Because, really, people don’t understand money. And so, they fixated on the wrong thing thinking that is what will give them success. Business is not about money, actually. Money is the outcome of a successful business. It’s the product and it’s the result, but so many people start with business thinking about the money. I’m not saying that money isn’t important, I’m actually saying, very definitely, that it’s important – but in a different way to what people think. If you want to be successful in business, it’s to do with the amount of issues you’ve mastered in your own personal life, it’s to do with your bonds of affection, and it’s to do with your connection with nature and how much harm you do on the planet. If you look in those areas first and examine yourself there, you are far more likely to have a better business organisation, which will then reap maximum profit or have successful adventures which then lead to satisfying money and income.

ELAIRA: How financial system is changing in the business?

JACQUELINE: Well, I think that what we’re coming to now is this kind of practical stop. It’s almost like we’re coming up against a brick wall. And a lot of people are desperate to do business and really want to do things and they’re finding they can’t go forward because of not either having enough money or not having the right resources or even the right people in place. And then, what happens is suddenly the resources become available, and the people are there, and they’re thinking, “Oh, no, I can’t engage you because I can’t pay you.” And the desperation of suddenly coming across those resources, or the people, and seeing, “Actually, my dream is possible suddenly,” and then thinking, “Oh, but I can’t do it, I’ve got to wait,” is so agonising now for the human being, because they’ve actually brought those people and those resources towards them finally, and to not be able to start engaging materially with their dream, or even just the fulfilment of the process they’re trying to practically engage in, is so much that they break through the boundary and they say, “Look, can we come to some arrangement?” or, “Can we do something different?” “Can cooperation be the first step?” And then we find a way to benefit you in the way that works for you, as well as me, so we dismantle the hierarchy and the arrangement as well. And then we go forward with putting all the priority around the person and the process and the product making the money obey that tune. And, of course, you can’t compromise money, to the extent that nobody can work for free, or very few people are, are in the position to do so, but that needs are still provided, as well as money, but maybe in a very different way to the straight up formula that we tend to have, which is, “Well, how much do you want?” “Do I have that or not?” “Oh, whoops, I’ll have to get someone cheaper.” That’s clearly not working. You have to have the right person for the job, don’t you? I mean, that’s the whole problem. And if you haven’t got the right match, or exactly what it is that you’re trying to achieve, and you’re knowingly taking on something or someone that doesn’t work, you start from the position of thinking, “This is not going to work so well,” and you lower the vibration of what you’re doing from the very beginning. And people are simply not satisfied to do that anymore, because look at where that has got us. Look around us. It’s, in some ways, absolutely disgraceful that the planet is in the state that it is, and what we see around us, as the outcome of the way that we’ve been working, clearly shows us it really is not working in several major areas, even though there can be good outcomes as well.

ELAIRA: And I think that’s why the world is shifting from this shareholder value, the money, money, business enterprises, to more conscious business, to more contribution-based business.


ELAIRA: But it’s still somehow doesn’t work it out.

JACQUELINE: It’s still not enough. Conscious business is great, but what do we really mean by the word conscious? We can be aware of these things, and we can even try to implement these much better ways of working through our awareness. But awareness belongs to a person, and a person has patterns or personal issues as well as awareness. And it doesn’t matter how awake you are or how aware you are, if what you’re trying to implement is being sabotaged by actual, real-time saboteurs inside your system, then you’re still going to have problems implementing your vision. And this is where even brilliant entrepreneurs can have: amazing path ahead of them, all the right ideas, they can have the money, they can have the people, they can have everything, actually, they need in place to succeed, but still it doesn’t work out. Now, why is that? And, in the past, you know, what’s happened, people have resorted maybe even to slightly questionable means of trying to secure their success by maybe even getting into deals or ritual or even in some cases, you know, shady stuff like black magic or corruption. And they’ve brought that in to try and secure that last step of making something successful when, in fact, they can’t, but what’s really operating are, in fact, family patterns and personal issues that are wired into consciousness. Consciousness is affected by patterns and by issues. It’s not some premium, sort of divine essence that’s pure at the beginning that can be trusted. It’s one ingredient that actually, in some way, may be corrupted up to a point. And we have to deal with that other influence that’s in the mix so that then we can be truly successful. And this is what’s missing, even, from the idea of conscious business. It’s the actual, definite practical disappearance of the practical, of the actual patterns behind the issues that we have that are corrupting the whole setup. And that’s what I’m here for, and that’s what I have the ability to clear, in people and organisations, places and even artefacts.

ELAIRA: So, in other words, those personal patterns which come through your DNA?


ELAIRA: And family generations.

JACQUELINE: Shall we talk a little about what I mean by that?


JACQUELINE: Because it can sound a bit floaty and we all know about DNA and how DNA can shape, you know, even how our body is formed at birth. We can take on the characteristics of, you know, what our dad looked like or, you know, you’ve got your mom’s eyebrows or whatever, but it’s a lot deeper than that. Your DNA carries a record of what your ancestors did – and all the unfinished business. And so, when often, in our very individualistic sense, we think, oh, you know, “This is my vision, this is what I want to do,” often you are being driven by the unfinished business of an ancestor who you’ve never met and you know nothing about, and it’s actually their vision and you don’t even realise that you’re acting out of an unfinished pattern from the past that is someone else’s. And, if we can switch on our own ability, then, to shed that influence, that you don’t even have to confine it to the DNA because, actually, it’s in other parts of your body as well as your DNA, but let’s just say that it’s in your personal field. If we can activate the part of ourselves, which we do actually have, to give an instruction to our personal field, to the entirety of our being, to shed that pattern, that influence, and that’s what I mean by the word, by pattern, that influence that gets in the way of the purity that is just us and not anybody else. Wouldn’t that be an amazing thing? And that is what every human being has. And some people know, and they’ve forgotten. Some people know, they haven’t forgotten, and they don’t know how to switch it on. And some people do know, and they don’t want people to remember, and they’re trying to keep it quiet. We’re dealing with all those things, actually, as part of our business life right now.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and there’s a lot of conditioning and set, fixed structures, which is so hard to go against.

JACQUELINE: Yes, that’s right. Even if you develop the ability to raise your vibration to the point where you can switch on your own self healing ability and begin to shed the patterns that don’t make your business so successful, how is your partner going to react? What’s your family going to think? Actually, what are you going to think when you start being so successful, potentially, or even getting the small wins in your life that have eluded you for years? It’s a major identity shift that can really rock the core of your being and can also then release many other troubled areas of your identity, to then look at and to start working on as well. It’s not an easy ride. And so, if you really want to be conscious in business, you have to be conscious of a lot more than just the tip of the iceberg.

ELAIRA: It’s so interesting because money-related issues are the hardest ones to go through.

JACQUELINE: Of course, ‘cause you can’t eat and you can’t drink…

ELAIRA: Exactly.

JACQUELINE: …if you can’t pay for what you need to eat and drink, and then your body will die, right?


JACQUELINE: That’s where fear comes from – around money – and that’s the charge underneath all business concerns. The fear that you won’t, you will get up one day and you can’t feed yourself or your family. It’s primal.


JACQUELINE: It’s real life.

ELAIRA: It’s survival. So, that’s why a lot of people stay in their miserable jobs and abuse themselves.


ELAIRA: And cross their own boundaries.

JACQUELINE: Of course, because they…

ELAIRA: Because.

JACQUELINE: They can’t – in inverted commas – leave.


JACQUELINE: In case they can’t do this. And how do we end that circle? It’s actually a slavery loop. We might not have people chained on ships and all this kind of thing anymore, but actually, we have a much more sophisticated and deeper form of slavery now than we ever had, which is brought about by the internal contents of your own mind. And, even deeper than that, the contents of your own mind are conditioned by these patterns, these influences, that are in your cellular biology, and that I’m pointing to the fact that we can actually now start deleting.

ELAIRA: Wow, it’s so interesting and so powerful. And I remember once, you said company success and financial success depends on the leader, most of all, so if the leader is not purified in their patterns, and so on, it just will bring it up to all organisation. Is it the main factor? Or is it like the team can balance it out?

JACQUELINE: That’s very good.

ELAIRA: How does that work?

JACQUELINE: Let’s tease it out. I mean, if you’re lucky enough, first of all, to have a conscious CEO, and by conscious I’m making the distinction between the type of consciousness I was just talking about, an aware, a mentally and spiritually aware person, then obviously that’s going to be a happier organisation to be in. And, depending on the type of power structure, then team leaders and contractors and employees will still be bound, if you like, by the overall structure of the organisation. But this is actually a very old way of thinking about things, which now is vastly redundant, and most of the planet is still working this way. You need, if you’re going to have an organisation which is being led by one person, which I would suggest is really not a very good idea, you need at least to have, not only a conscious leader, but you need to have a leader who’s mostly purified of their own patterns. And they need to be working with someone or something that can actually purify those patterns, otherwise there’s not really a lot of point. The amount of time we have left to actually find real solutions for this planet – we don’t have very much time – and you will progress so slowly in the ways that people are working at the moment that it’s not going to be very productive. The team itself and the so-called leader of an organisation would be better off in what I call the purification space, or using tools to actually switch on their own self healing ability, so then when they work together in any type of structure, whether it’s leader-lead, or whether it’s shared leadership, or whether there’s no concept of leadership and it’s a more organic and enlightened organisation in certain senses, then everybody’s taking responsibility for the deletion of their own patterns. And that’s not just a workshop on a CD or an mp3 download. It’s not going away in the vacation to do a bit of meditation on the beach. It’s actually a body capacity that you have wired into you that works according to very strict rules, just like a computer or a piece of machinery – it’s much more sophisticated and advanced than that – that everybody needs to realise that they have the responsibility in their life to start developing and switching on, because otherwise they will not be equipped for even the immediate future, let alone the long-term future, which is highly questionable.

ELAIRA: I really want to elaborate a bit more on that – switching on, listening to your body – because I kind of understood in my mind before, but I really didn’t get it till it start happening to me.

JACQUELINE: Yes. You’re not listening to yourself, although that’s part of the process. That’s a very superficial level. You actually learn to listen to yourself much more easily when you’ve switched on your self healing ability, because your body is practically screaming what you need to do. It can be very hard to actually work out what we need to do or decide when we’re just listening to ourselves because half the time we’re listening to our patterns operating. And that’s why people get into such a conundrum sometimes because they don’t know whether to trust what they’re hearing. Instead, if we were to go to the deepest level first, and concentrate, actually, on switching on our own self healing ability, we wouldn’t have that interference from our thoughts or emotions or our patterns in the first place. We could actually trust and work with our bodies and we would start to develop, even, environments where that message was loud and clear – that everybody was working that way and that you could be trusted to listen to your body and follow it, because you’re already operating out of a vibration where patterns and things are getting purified out. And then, you’re talking about a highly enlightened type of environment for people to then flower and show the very best of their abilities, and that be successful. And it becomes so exciting. Even the thought of it, I would guess, even while you’re listening to my voice, right?


JACQUELINE: That’s you and your vibration speeding up. And because you’re listening to my voice and you’re in the environment that I call the purification space right now, because I am speaking, your self healing ability is starting to switch on – the excitement around that, and even the thought of it. Your whole body starts to tune into a completely different way of being, which is actually the way that the human being really works. It’s divine intelligence. And that excitement then powers the self healing process and puts, if you like, another extra, sort of, you know, gear into the process. And when you put an extra gear into any process – out of your divine intelligence – that’s when the universe goes, “Ker-ching!” and money starts to flow.

ELAIRA: Effortlessly.

JACQUELINE: More oxygen comes into your body. Your connection with the earth gets deeper. Your ideas and your thoughts switch out of, “Oh, this is wrong with me, I need to work on this,” to, “What could I do next? I could do this!” You actually start dreaming, which is actually a kind of technology of consciousness. You activate the part of you that is actually able to materialise and change reality. And, I should qualify: not change reality according to what it says in self help books, which, unfortunately, is still conditioned by patterns, but really, practically, actually change matter. That’s what starts to happen. And that is actually the real human identity and what I’m talking about. And now, you can see that really the phrase “conscious business,” even when you feel into that phrase, it just feels a bit boring and a bit dead, actually.

ELAIRA: So, talking about those patterns. And recently you had a public speak about money, myth and misconceptions and where it really came from.

JACQUELINE: Mmm, we just got started, yes.

ELAIRA: And what it, how abundance is made. What are the most common patterns people have related to money?

JACQUELINE: It’s, you know, actually, all patterns come out of one pattern, which is very interesting in itself. And, when you’re ready to jump to that level in the purification space, things get really, really exciting. All patterns come out of an inability to recognise and live from your true identity, which actually is love. And that has become such a flaky comment, and such a misunderstood term, that people really have no idea what that means. But even the deepest fear patterns, which of course is a very common pattern around money, all come out of focusing on everything else in your life except the one true thing that never changes in your being – which is actually a frequency setting – that you are made of an actual, very material substance, which you can technically and very sophisticatedly define as pure love. And when you start to get on that wavelength, you harness your whole body apparatus, your self healing ability, and a lot of other super-ordinary abilities, which then start to actually model and change reality very easily. But because we also have so much in our lives and our societies which says, “You are not that, and you need to try and get to that.” It’s a bit like cutting off the legs of an athlete and telling them to run. You can’t ever get there, because you start in the wrong place. And so, fear of not being able to provide your primal or survival needs. But you know, even that fear is actually the fear of never feeling love. That’s the, actually, the strongest drive. Even the drive to eat is weaker than the drive to find love. Because it’s actually what we’re attempting to find, even when we put food in our mouth or we try to go to work to get money. We are actually trying to buy love – when we start from those patterns and those issues attached to money. And that’s why, going back to your first question, there’s so much misidentification about money in business – because it’s become all about money. But money itself is actually a type of consciousness that says, “You need to earn love, and you are not love.” So it will never work until we understand what money really is, which is actually the outcome of being and recognising and actually, practically living from the part of us that always was, always is, and always will be a very sophisticated body reality of pure love.

ELAIRA: Yeah, I really hear you, and those misconceptions about love, and how people are disconnected, that even hard to grasp what is pure love, in a way.

JACQUELINE: Yes, because, certainly through spirituality and religion, we have the idea that love is accepting everybody the way they are, and having compassion for everyone, especially if they’re acting badly or if they have pain in their life. And of course, the definition of pure love does include those things. And those things I’ve just mentioned are incredibly important. But again, they’re outcomes, they’re not starting points. You will naturally have compassion. You don’t need to go on a workshop to develop compassion, I mean, it would be a falsity if you did that, because you can’t learn those things through an active process. Love is actually an outcome of this other quality that I’m talking about that is core in human identity. I’m calling it pure love to keep it simple and keep it very clean and clear. It is the entire range of possibilities for the human being – to be able to materialise something that benefits self and other to equal effect, and includes all beings. Pure love is a very real, and will eventually be even a traceable and recordable vibration and frequency that, if it is absent, shows evidence of the fact that, actually, things go into death and break down. And it is behind, even, your source connection, your, the way you connect with the source of your own being is fashioned out of a material that I’m calling pure love. It is a substance, which we can talk about and relate to, mostly conceptually at the moment, at this time in history, because we can’t touch and feel it yet, and we don’t experience it all that much. We just see the outcomes of it when we know it’s actually working. But pure love is actually there – in the range of the human being already – and we’re bringing it forward into our material reality from the depths of our own being by connecting with the source of our own selves, not a religious concept of source.

ELAIRA: Yeah, especially in the business, people lose that centre of pure love or, as we talk, like, maybe you’re not even connecting for a long time.

JACQUELINE: It’s even prohibited, right?

ELAIRA: It’s even prohibited.

JACQUELINE: It’s certainly not cool.

ELAIRA: Don’t be emotional, you know?


ELAIRA: Be cool.


ELAIRA: And there’s a concept you have to work so, so hard to earn money and so on. So people often get so lost, so busy.


ELAIRA: Time becomes such an issue, how to balance everything out.

JACQUELINE: That’s right. It becomes a religious issue, or it becomes an economic issue, or even a political issue about how you should be doing something a certain way. Because you can’t include, within the vision of yourself, ideas around that core value of love that would be too challenging, because they’re either not practical and they’re flaky, which you get with a lot of spiritual ideas around love, or they neglect immediate practical needs that must be taken care of, and nobody’s got time to think about that and there’s a pressure deadline there in place, which means you never include it. And we really, really suffer in our lives as well, from what some people have labeled as the Protestant work ethic, where you have to work very hard – either you don’t deserve the results or the results that you get are not worthy of being received or had by others and not even worth pursuing. It’s, that is actually part of that slavery concept that I was talking about. And the human being is not a slave. The human being is a being of pure love. And we are bringing that quality into the business arena because it is business that will drive the change on this planet. And it is ethical, caring, and environmentally-benefitting business that will produce the channel of structure, of responsibility, of efficiency, and, actually, human reciprocity, and working together in communal settings that will flood into all areas of personal and, and business life in the end, for restructuring how we really want to be. But it’s a very different image of business. The current image we have of business is almost totally oppressive.

ELAIRA: Funny how you already take my question out of my lips before I even ask it, because I was about to ask what is the business role of the future, you know?

JACQUELINE: To embody more love on this planet.

ELAIRA: Hmm. And what is the business role of money paradigm change?

JACQUELINE: The business role for money paradigm change is that the business must really start to drop ideas about money so that everybody can receive money, and money no longer be an issue. And I’m not talking about some kind of socialist idea where, you know, everybody has the same salary, or we just take care of basic needs so then you’re free to do everything else that you want and you have lots of free time, or you might put that back into business. I’m actually talking about a very different idea where the very, very distinct needs of a situation are logged, or they’re registered, or they’re clocked. And that will be personal as well as business, it will be environment as well as society, etc, etc, and then business then uses the money it has to facilitate the meeting of those needs because there is already in place a way of working that understands that money comes to do that in the first place – from registering, logging and clocking the needs of people, environments and places. Our bodies, and the way that every type of being on this planet is set up, is we are a satellite, if you like, or an antenna for what is good and what benefits ourselves and others. So, businesses have a responsibility to have actively, in their business process, the ability to recognise what will bring more benefit to everyone, including the people in the business organisation and all beings on the planet. When businesses start doing that, then they will put their money in those directions, and the money will come back – in even greater reward – for having done that because it starts to actually flow in the same way as nature and life does itself. Money is just the materialisation of the flow of oxygen, of milk when you are nurturing a child, of water in a river, it is the flow of love in a bond of affection. And, although it’s not totally true to say that how much money you have is how well you’re managing that set of relationships in your life or answering to your source connection, because there are patterns involved as well, it’s certainly true to say that when business starts to see itself as a live and dynamic organism which works in a very similar way to nature, then when we feed that back into the way we think about and deal with money, business will be taking its real responsibility of benefitting all beings and embodying this material quality of pure love – back onto the planetary surface where it has been vastly absent for a very long time.

ELAIRA: Beautiful, just imagining it is amazing.


ELAIRA: So, let’s talk the forms of the business regarding that trend. A lot of it’s changing and a lot of people who are tired and exhausted from this money-driven organisations where only focus is the money and profit, they drop it and they go opposite of it, which is nonprofit organisations. But then, they encounter almost the same issues or worse, which is so confusing. So maybe you can elaborate more why nonprofit is not working.

JACQUELINE: Sure. Let’s make it really simple. If you’ve got a person that you don’t like, it doesn’t matter what coat they wear, it’s still a person that you don’t like. And you’re swapping from one business structure to another, but the person who’s swapping still may not have mastered the personal issues inside them, or may still be very deeply entrenched in some of the values that they don’t even agree with, and haven’t developed new ways of being themselves. So, in their head, they’re swapping to a nonprofit organisation to try and bring about those alternative values. But actually, they don’t know how to function out of the actual physical setting that doesn’t use those values so they replicate exactly the same system through a nonprofit organisation and it becomes an even uglier monster. And so, a lot of nonprofit organisations now are realising that, although they will have ethics and they will have a very good set of founding principles in place – they have, even, the individuals they want to be a part of that – because they themselves are still not living lifestyles which are in support, and actually coming from this wider place that I’m talking about, about not doing harm to the environment, starting to purify of their own patterns, they still start to have equal and maybe even larger challenges and problems with this amazing vision and dream that they so wanted to institute, which is a great shame, right?

ELAIRA: Yeah, exactly. And so confusing as well.


ELAIRA: Because the idea is so great.

JACQUELINE: You know, ideas are great. But ideas come out of consciousness. And consciousness is wired – by not only your own purity, but your patterns and your issues as well.


JACQUELINE: That’s the thing to understand.

ELAIRA: So, in other words, kind of the “same girl, just different dress.”

JACQUELINE: Yeah, yup. Clothes analogy is very good here, yes.

ELAIRA: Let’s take it deeper, as well. You brought it up several times in our conversations as zero-value organisations or all of donations, in other words.

JACQUELINE: Yes. Sometimes the danger is that people start thinking, “Well, how?” Which, of course, is a very practical and necessary question, so they start looking for other models. And even before we start talking about other models, we need to understand that there is something that joins together model and process which is not about how and, actually, a set formula. Set formulas and structure grow out of the ability to actually tap a place, which is very similar to the way that nature operates, which is about where things are freely given. And, we need to break this down into a few steps, so we don’t get into big misunderstandings here, because I’m not for a minute saying that everything should be free or that we move to a kind of barter system or anything like that. We were talking about this a little bit earlier. At the end of your life, someone doesn’t knock on the door and say, “Oh, Elaira, according to my records, you’ve breathed in this amount of oxygen and you’ve used this amount of water” – just before you decide to drop your body – “Would you mind paying for this?” Nature never does this. You’re given oxygen freely and actually your body is designed to emit carbon dioxide, which then goes back into the environment. There is already a system on this planet that does not deal in hard currency. Nevertheless, however, does have a very strict way of working. We all know that if you don’t get enough oxygen, your body will expire. So there are rules built in. But nobody is saying, “Ah, you’ve got to give me a fixed price for that oxygen.” All you’ve got to do is follow the rules around oxygen and carbon dioxide, make sure you’re always in the air and that your oxygen is not blocked off and, by the way, don’t forget to breathe as well, OK? And, in fact, your body is set up to involuntarily breathe. We don’t even have to make ourselves breathe, we just do it. We peg that into a nice, safe category of now, a small five second part of a conversation where we might remember to say, maybe twice in our life, “Isn’t that a miracle? We managed to breathe and we don’t even have to do it, our body just does it. Next!” And we don’t even think about it. This is how, actually, the world works, and also how resources are generated. It comes out of nature’s system, and our body is wired along these lines. And money is just one, if you like, representation and material artefact that comes out at the end point, or at some point in that process. And, if everything is freely given but it has rules, we can definitely look at how, in our monetary systems, we can free ourselves up. Because isn’t the ideal monetary situation where everybody’s needs are satisfied and everybody’s dreams are satisfied, as well? Not just needs. Isn’t it the dream of the human spirit to be able to create, unlimitedly, safely, knowing that there’s no patterns involved and not having to continually think about, “Ooh, but can I afford that?”


JACQUELINE: I mean, that’s the reason why we’re having this conversation, right?

ELAIRA: Right, right.

JACQUELINE: And that’s the reason why everybody’s keeping in their jobs, that they don’t want to do, because they’re dreaming of that, but they know that there’s no practical reality around being able to live that way, and they’ve still got to feed themselves. So, why are we not building in the possibility of that, into our actual business arrangements, so that you could still work in a business if you wanted to, and that facility, at least in part, or if not, wholly, was available for you to be able to function out of a place where you could, in some areas, implement things unlimitedly, not having to make the check around money? This is where we then start to think about: how can we make those things happen – with either money not being a barter, things happening, or money working in a more minimal and then less intrusive way, so that it doesn’t stop the exchange or the creative process? Donation is certainly one of the models that you might think of using, partly or wholly, either in your organisation, or even in a large part of a separate structure alongside your organisation, so more freedom and more space for the human spirit and the way that creativity, which brings great money, could actually show up and be honoured and nurtured. It’s where innovation comes from. So, if a business, for example, it’s just an example, it’s not saying that anybody should do this, and it may not practically work for everybody, but as an example, if, you know, you’re noticing that your company is not really freeing itself up to have enough time and space to innovate, then what would you adopt to make sure that happens? You could actually offer to employ certain people or even to have a certain amount of time set aside in your organisation, which is quite apart from salary, where people are led to understand that they can offer their skills or their dreams in the interest of having them actually happen and being incorporated in some way. They won’t be paid for that – a fixed amount – and that that would take place in a kind of reciprocal exchange, or a part donation base, to actually turn those wheels and get them turning and get that included within an organisation.

ELAIRA: And I think some organisations are already going that direction.


ELAIRA: And especially young people don’t care about money so much.


ELAIRA: They care about contribution and following their passion…

JACQUELINE: That’s right.

ELAIRA: …and happiness.

JACQUELINE: And of course, there’s a balance there. Of course, you still do need to be able to cover your bases and you have to take care of that. But what if we could reduce those bases so that you had less that you had to take care of? Why are business organisations not thinking about that for their employees? There’s not one business organisation on this planet that doesn’t know that employees need to pay their bills and their food and to have enough to put petrol in their car if they’re driving to work. Why are we not thinking about, OK, when you have your interview, or asking your employees: currently what is it that we need to make sure that we’re covering so that you haven’t got that basic anxiety, so that then we can look at how we are sharing information and knowledge with you about how money works in this organisation, and we can all take responsibility for the money in the organisation, partly, or even to quite a large extent. So we then diminish the hierarchy, we share the technical and human skills and innovation and talent, and then you have an employee who’s not just thinking, “Well, that bit’s nothing to do with me anyway, so if they go bankrupt, well, it would be sad, but it’s not my problem.” And there’s also a CEO, he’s not thinking, “Gosh, I haven’t got time to go home at night for my children or my wife or my husband because I’m dealing with this” – and they’re not power sharing enough. We can use our money-based systems, actually, to facilitate the space where we then honour each other. And when we’re honouring each other in the area of needs and talents, then we’re tapping back into that natural space where things are freely given, which is the mechanism of how you connect with the source of your own being and your divine intelligence, and you’re allowing it to embody and shape business. And the wonderful thing about this, just to stop you from coming in with the next question, is, that when you do that, the patterns and the issues in an organisation, even in a product, even in the customer, or client base, as well as the employees, and the CEO, even if they never meet their employees, and some CEOs do operate that way, automatically and spontaneously start to purify and shed without you having to take dedicated time, separate from the rest of your life, which will already be crowded enough as it is to engage in therapy, staring at the wall and thinking, “Oh my God, I don’t even know how I deal with that. Right, I’m just going to go and eat chocolate instead or watch TV instead.” You don’t even have to start looking at what’s wrong. You get into the momentum of realising that things are wrong and you start looking at how to facilitate what would be right, and the dynamic and the power that you harness through looking at what would be right starts to bring what isn’t right into a new frequency and vibration and takes what needs fixing with it in a higher direction. And then, that will automatically and spontaneously start to unravel, some of it will fix itself. And then, the bit that really needs changing and unraveling, through human attention and practical change, will become highlighted. And then, everybody wants to fix it, because everybody’s got show-, shared ownership. Everybody’s important because that’s the ethos of the dynamic already in place. And there is a wish to quickly and effectively sort these things out. And goodwill takes over instead of, “Well, I’m only getting paid this, they shouldn’t even be asking me, I’m worth so much more,” which is the conventional sort of thing that, understandably, people start operating out of, which is very much a much lower and older paradigm vibration.
ELAIRA: So, is money going to disappear in the future and how it’s going to change in the coming years?

JACQUELINE: Well, who knows? I mean, it’s very much in our hands. It’s certainly becoming more virtual, so the felt touch and lived experience of paper or even a credit card in your hand may start to disappear as we use voice control to activate payments, or as we start to bring in other ways of making sure that what we used to call financial exchange takes place. It’s actually quite a frightening proposition. Because, on the one hand, while it can make things more efficient and go faster and we can do more, we may lose touch with our bodies and the very practical, physical aspect of processes, which means that we notice things that are not serving us and we speak up and we make sure that those things don’t take a hold. And it’s very much our responsibility to make sure that if we lose money in a physical form, that we still have the space and the processes in place to really be checking that we’re only agreeing to things and going along with things that do truly serve us. And it concerns me very greatly that there is not a lot of attention on this and not, if there is there’s not a lot of processes in place to make sure that that attention translates into real action so that everyone is happy, not just some.

ELAIRA: So, besides that there is a beautiful business bundle on your website and there are a lot of tracks related to money, which I listened recently and they’re so powerful.


ELAIRA: And so helpful. So educational as well. What other tips you would give to people…


ELAIRA: …especially who are struggling here and now, because we’re talking as well, big picture a lot, but like, practically, what they could do?

JACQUELINE: If you are a CEO or if you are an employee, and I’m obviously using that as a very general way of describing a business organisation, the very most important thing that you should be asking yourself right now is, “How do I switch on my self healing ability and purify myself of the patterns that mean that I don’t take active control of my life as effectively as I would like to?” OK? You need to put aside time and space also, in your life, to really be spending a small amount of time on yourself in silence, to really be listening to what’s going on inside you, so you know what’s most important to prioritise in your life. Those kinds of answers – about time for reflection and being with yourself – will never change. They are core and they’re often the last things that we do. After that, in a business organisation, and I say this repetitively to many of the organisations that ask for my help, I walk into the building and I say, “Where is the place, the physical place, in your organisation, where people can go to sit quietly with themselves?” “Where is it in your meeting, the silent space where everybody stops and connects in with themselves?” “Show me the structure of your meetings. Do you have it?” It’s always missing.


JACQUELINE: And the next thing I would say, that’s very important at the political and the management level of organisations, is to really stop and ask yourself, “How much are you harming the planet?” And if you are, to stop right now in your tracks and re-devise your approach, because we all carry the responsibility for the future and what our children will face. And it doesn’t need me to say that what we’re facing is very serious.

ELAIRA: Yes. And it’s so sad to end with this sad note that the, the nature is really at risk.

JACQUELINE: That’s why we’re having this discussion, because there are more powerful tools than just business consciousness to actually deal with this.

ELAIRA: The last question – what would be your contribution or focus, in coming future, helping business?

JACQUELINE: Well, continuing to do what I’m doing, on a more expanded level. My contribution is, first of all, to point people to the fact that they have their own self healing ability. My second contribution is to actually help actively switch that on in people. And my third contribution is then to help them to understand how to harness and live with that ability, drop all paradigms that may be holding them back, and taking on that new identity and that new understanding of themselves. And I myself work entirely by donation, to model the fact that this is completely possible for human beings, and that if you start to take on this level of engagement with your super-ordinary self, then you will also be able to help and influence others. I’m a living example of this and I also have, even, the body design to be able to implement and switch this on in others.

ELAIRA: I could go on because my eyes are wide open. It’s so interesting what you’re sharing.

JACQUELINE: I’m sure we will.

ELAIRA: And I do feel so much happening in my body while we speak.

JACQUELINE: Yes, everybody who’s been listening today, it would be wise to look at the aftercare section of my website, on how to look after yourself when you go into the detox of the purification space. Because that’s what you’ve been in while you’ve been listening.

ELAIRA: Thank you so, so much, and I hope to see you again.

JACQUELINE: You are very welcome. Thank you.

Just relaxing
and listening to my voice.

You are in the purification space
because you are listening to my words.

Just feeling
the sensation
of your body
right now
and placing your attention
on your career
or your money
or your business life.

And let go.

In this space
any issues
or patterns
you have personally
which are affecting
your ability to earn money
to earn the money
that you dream of
or to achieve the objectives that you have
as your personal dream
or ambition
they are all
and transmuting
in this space.

I am switching on

your self healing ability.

Your body
is recognising
this capacity
in your own being
and because
your body
knows what to do
all you need to do
is just listen.

What about a world
where everything you did
was an expression
of pure love?

What about
a world where
you went to work
you were doing
what you love
more than enough money was flowing
because you were benefitting this planet
and healing many of the crises
that are currently affecting us
just by living out of
your own integrity
your own excitement
and using your skills
and talents?

Receiving this purification
for deeply embedded patterns
of fear
around not having enough money
in your family line
in your personal life
and in your work life.
Losing that sense of self protectiveness
that means often you don’t offer
or even say
what you think
and who you are
because no one will listen
or no one will pay you for it
or what you should receive.

Switching on the part of you
that knows how to work with others
in teams
to bring maximum efficiency
and results
as well as money
but not driven by money
in the first instance.

And understanding
that the more you switch on your self healing ability
through joining the purification space
the easier
and lighter
and quicker
your ability to materialize
what you really want to see
in this world
including your business life
will happen.

In this fast-paced world where doing more is highly encouraged and there is no enough room to rest, stress and wellbeing naturally became quite an important topic on the agenda. But what is it and what are key misconceptions about it?

In this episode, I invited the topic expert Sander Gremmen who is the owner of the company Crystal Clarity. The company supports people to reduce stress with the help of technology. And, as Sander says:

“We want people to care as much about their body battery as they care about their phone battery”.

Notes of the podcast:

  • What is wellbeing and why everyone talk about it now?
  • What is wellbeing at work?
  • How wellbeing is it different from stress? Or is it the same thing just a different side of the coin?
  • What is stress?
  • What are the biggest misconceptions about stress at work?
  • Everyone’s unique response to stress and what is causing stress.
  • How do you know what is draining you and what is not, especially when we have so many misconceptions about what is stress to us?
  • How do we know we recovered and what do we need to recover?
  • What is a recovery? What is the difference between rest & recovery and what are good recovery tips?
  • The difference between bad stress and good stress.
  • What is your best tip to manage stress?
  • What are the trends and the future of wellbeing at work?
  • What is your best tip to make the world a better place?

Wellbeing and stress

Hello and welcome to business lounge podcast. Episode Five. Today with my guests Sunder Hammond, we will tackle the question about wellbeing and distress, including main tips and misconceptions about stress and well being management is such an essential part being a business owner or working in a corporate role. It doesn’t matter. This is one of the key foundational parts to be successful. So hello and welcome sander. Oh, it’s so nice to have you here today.
Thank you very much.
So Sunder What is your job and how did you get it?
My company name is Crystal clarity. And what we do we measure people’s body with technology. What are we measuring exactly is heart rate variability that gives us insight in activity in autonomic nervous system. And that shows us when people are stressed and when people are recovering. I started my company one half years ago, we quickly focused on well being energy management, stress management, that is something that I also did before for companies and I was always focused on quiet the mind and have more rest in the body. I also am a martial artists for around 24 years. Wow. So they will learn how to breathe, how to deal with pressure. I also saw the distinctions between what is causing stress how you can be relaxed even if there is pressure, not that I’m using any physical activities when I’m coaching or training people, but I can explain exactly what it’s about. So that’s how I got into this.
Oh, that’s why you look so calm all the time when I see you.
Yeah, the outside. I’m very cool.
So Sunder, let’s tackle that big topic and big buzzword called well being, which is so popular nowadays. And it’s so popular in the companies. It’s so much on the agenda, what is it and why everyone talks about it now?
Yeah, it’s an interesting topic, because there are many different views about it. Also many models that describe it slightly differently. But in the end, it’s all about the same thing. It’s about our body. How much stress do we experience, it’s about our mental well being, psychological stress, but also emotional stress. And that occurs in many different areas of our lives. So well being for me, if I would describe it, it’s about happiness. It’s about being healthy and have enough energy to do the things that you love to do.
So let’s talk specifically what is well being at work. What does that mean? And what does it define?
Well being at work for me is that people feel happy at work and To be happy, you need to have some freedom to do the things that you really love to do. So there’s a huge responsibility for the employee, but also for the employer. It’s really about the right person on the right spot. At the other hand, it’s also about health. There are many jobs, where people also can get back problems, for example. So also taking care of the employees that they that they are healthy enough. And for me, it’s also about energy management. And nowadays in a modern work life, we don’t have any moments where you really recover. And we have a lot of symptoms that people have too much chronic stress. And that is what we also see in our measurements. And that’s what we also want to to change so that people have a better balance between stress and energy that is draining and recovery and energy that is recovering process. Yeah, it’s it’s like a, like a smartphone, you always want to make sure that your your smartphone is working. And that’s why we always do our best to find a spot to charge our iPhone on time. And what we do we want to do exactly the same thing with the body. Always make sure that you charge it on time.
Yeah, it’s such a glare comparison. So how is it different with a stress? Or is it the same thing, just different side of the coin.
A stress is a part of well being in the body, everything is connected with each other. For example, alcohol addiction is causing stress because alcohol is creating a stress hormone. But a game addiction, for example, doesn’t always have to create stress. Maybe what we can see is well people are gaming too much. They get irritated, but maybe they aren’t. But what people have that are addicted to gaming for example, they do it late in the evening and that’s why their sleep parents are disturbed and that is affecting Then next workday. So it’s a part of well being, I would not call it exactly the same.
So can you elaborate more? What is stress?
Stress is a physical reaction in the body. We have stress hormones in a stress hormones release in certain conditions. But stress is in reaction in the autumn autonomic nervous system. We also call it the gas pedal. It’s the moment that we are focusing our spending energy on something. And that’s why stress is not a bad thing, because we need stress to focus to give a presentation to solve complex problems.
So what are key and main misconceptions about stress at work, in your opinion?
Well, the main misconception is that stress is related to work. There is an assumption in life that we drain energy at work and that we gain energy when we learn in our private life. But it’s actually not true. If we look at if we measure We see that private life is as draining as their working life. And sometimes even more, sometimes even more, especially when you have children, especially if young children, for example, and you, you don’t get too much sleep because of them. And sleep is has a huge influence on us. Besides that, also what we drink and eat has a lot of influence on us. So there are many different things that can influence us. And people think stress is related to work and that’s not true. So to give an example, when two people have exactly the same job, this exactly the same working conditions, but Person A had a very nice sleep last night and Person B woke up many times had broken night. The next day, they are in the same circumstances with the same task Person A can feel excellent and doesn’t feel any work. Pressure is just in the flow and Person B can experience a lot of work. pressure. So that’s also why work pressure is very subjective. There’s not a real thing. So everything is influencing us. And there’s no one cause. Another misconception is, people think that stress is bad. But stress is only bad when we have for too long time, or we have too much high peaks, without any recovery breaks. But actually, stress is a very normal response in the body, we need stress to wake up. We need stress to focus, we need stress to understand somebody. It’s just a function that we have to perform. And of course, we need stress to survive. Only those circumstances were very important in the past, but we don’t have them right now. But still the same reaction in the body is still in our current life, but not because of real fear. But because we create stories in our minds that are causing stress, for example,
yeah, the beers are not chasing us anymore. No, no. Our mind does right.
Oh, mine does it For example, I sometimes talk with people and they say, Well, I don’t want to share a thing that I they’re bothered about at work with my manager. And then I ask them, Why yes, because I’m afraid that my manager will be irritated by it, then awesome. But how do you notice because the only reason that people think that will happen is because they created a story in their mind that that will happen, and it gives a bad feeling. So people really have to learn to trust the feeling. But it’s about following your intuition. That’s a good thing. But following your emotion is not a wise thing to do. So in that case, I would say to the participants, if you feel that you create a story in your head and creates an emotion, that it doesn’t feel good, then it’s actually a good thing to do. If there’s a deep intuitive feeling, then it’s maybe not a good thing to do. But the chance is very small, and it’s circumstance like this, that I just described.
So in other words, you say everything that requires somebody kind of activity, it requires a certain level of stress, like even to focus or to move.
It depends. It depends. Not everybody is reacting in the same way. And it’s very interesting. For example, some people are reading a book and they recover. Some people are reading exactly the same book, and they are draining energy. It’s the same with with social media, I saw one of my own measurements that I was recovering during scrolling on Facebook, for example. But for most people that is very draining, we don’t know exactly what makes the difference, but we know that there are differences and that is something that is measurable.
So how do you know like, what is draining you or and what is not? Especially when you say that we sometimes have misconception? What is stress to us?
Yeah, well, we help people to really measure the body to first make them aware. We use some technology that people wear on their body for a few days and after that, we would have a smartwatch and we just tried To measure what is causing stress, and what are the moments that people are recovering, we make people aware of that. And the moment that they are aware of it, I asked them to let go of the technology and learn to feel it and just use technology for well as a guiding mechanism just to point out, okay, what do I feel and what does the technology show me, but at a certain moment, I want people just to feel what is happening in their body, that is something that we are completely disconnected from, because we have quite mental jobs. So our focus is mainly focused on our head and not so much on the body.
Right. So we don’t know how to manage our body and where to listen to the signals of the body.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. So you mentioned that recovery thing is very important thing. Yes. How do we know that we recovered? And what do we need to recover? If it’s as well, different from everyone gets even more complicated, right?
It’s very important to make a distinction between arrests and recording. worry. For example, many people tell me Yeah, when, when I’m watching Netflix, I’m recovering. But actually what they mean they are resting. So in their mind, it’s called. But what we see is that when people are watching the screen, most of the time, it’s stressful and not so much a recovery moments. The same with going to the gym. People say when I workout, I feel that I release my stress. Well, in a way, I understand it, because you might get very peaceful. But at the same time, when you are exercising, you need stress. It are actually very high levels of stress that you use when you’re exercising because you want to perform. But that’s a way to strengthen your body to deal with stress. So that’s why going to the gym is a good thing. It’s helped you, your body to become stronger and deal with stressors that you experience in your life.
Yeah. So what is recovery? Like? Can you give examples of what is recovery so we understand what you mean and Difference between rest.
Yeah, well examples of recovery. Also this depends on on each person because everybody is reacting differently. But for most people meditation is a very good thing to do to recover, but not for all people. The same for walking in nature. Reading a book, spending time with your children like quality time, cuddling, physical touch is a very good way to relieve stress and to recover. So cuddling, having sex are great things to do at work, taking regular breaks. So don’t work for for four or six hours in a row. Work for what works for you. There are many different methods but work for 40 minutes or 50 minutes and take a break and a break should be without your smartphone without talking to colleagues about work, but just walk outside do a breathing exercise for example, or talk with your colleagues about To find things that are ways to recover, what also works very well at work is to manage your breath. I think that’s the most important thing. Learn how to brief most participants. I ask, What What is it? What is the deep breath, and they are pointing to the navel. But that’s not really a deep breath. Of course, I understand that your lungs are around that area. But when you lungs are completely filled, they put down your organs. And that’s why if you have a really big deep breath, you feel it very low in your belly. So I learned people to breathe and especially at what times they need to grieve, and also to manage their their energy.
So interesting. So how do you know that you recovered? Because in this fast paced world, as you say, we don’t have brakes at all, and it doesn’t seem that world is built for us to encourage the brakes. So people probably don’t have a habit to know that they recover to recharge. So how do you know that and maybe some tips there. I
actually should put it the other way around, probably would not notice it when you are recovered, because you are just performing and you feel that you can focus that you can deal with emotions, you just in a flow, you’re just doing what you want to do. When you don’t manage your energy. When you don’t recover at a certain moment, you better we will be come to low your body battery. And at that time, your executive functions of the brain will get less energy, that means that it will perform less and autonomic brain will get much more energy because it’s in a survival mode. And what you will experience if you are in that state is that it’s more difficult to deal with emotions. It’s more difficult to focus to focus on the group benefits instead of my own benefits. It’s very important when you’re collaborating with people so we will be less productive by there are studies that shown that we Answer questions 50% less accurate. Wow. So it’s it’s a single study, we should not take too serious because it’s just one study, but it’s it’s a study that is aligned with many other studies about our executive functions when we experiencing stress, and they all show the same results that there’s a correlation between them. Interesting. Yes.
So you talked about bad stress and good stress. Can you explain a bit better was the difference between them.
And that stress, also called chronic stress is a high level of stress that continues for many hours or minutes. Good stress, when we look at our measurements, it will create a peak, but it also will go down quite quickly. Uh, once I did a measurement on myself, and I discovered I was doing a certain type of work that I truly didn’t like. So it created a lot of It high peaks of energy, I was a little bit annoyed by it. I was not looking at my stress results at that moment. At the end of the day, I came home. And I looked at my stress results. And that was the very clear explanation why I was so exhausted. Because after that specific task, my energy levels are my stress levels. Were still high, even though I did I did completely normal work and I normally like to do so it’s affecting a lot of other things during the day. So that that is an example of that stress. What I also call that stress is when do we have a continuous pace of stress without any recovery breaks? Because that will affect your your mood and your sleep, for example, but also your cognitive functions and immune system and your immune system? Yes, yeah.
What is your best tip to manage the stress?
My best tip to manage the stress is is to really look at your daily will and especially How you are managing your energy. For example, a lot of people have a busy day with a lot of meetings, they come home, they quickly eat, they maybe have children where they have to take care of and maybe after they want to go to the gym just to get some peace in their mind to relax, but all those activities are stress for even though that going to the gym is positive stress, it is stress. So it is draining your battery. So for me it would be learning how do I manage my energy during the day and that differently for everybody? What is also included? How are we dealing with with our technology, for example, how we are dealing with a human interaction because we are in a modern life and we don’t relate so much to each other anymore Like we used to. And we know that conversations physical touch has a lot of effect on our body. in a positive way,
yeah. So what do you think? What are the trends and the future of well being at work?
I think that we will have to explore what what the line is between work and private life. I already see that right now, because for a employer, it’s very important that employees are healthy and vital and happy. But our mental well being issues for examples like addiction, anxiety, adepts, that is influencing an employee. And as an employer, you want to help the employee because if you help them, they will become more productive. They will be less sick, but most importantly, you have a happy employee engagement. Yeah, and a great one. So that’s great. So I never doubt about the intention, but it’s a big bucks because as an employee, do you want to share those things with your employer and if you share it are people able to Do we have that information because people make all kinds of assumptions what that means. So I think that we will explore that boundary about how far can employ a go to to help the employee, I think we found a solution for that, to find a mix to let the employee explore themselves, what is influencing them, give them direction to take action on it. And we create the sense of urgency by showing the data, why it’s important to act even though if they don’t share with us that they have depth for example, based on data, we can still show them what is causing stress. And if they don’t show it with me, they can still see Oh, wait a minute. That was the moment that I was stressing out about a bill for example. Or if you have a game addiction, or debt was the moment that when I was gaming, and this is the effect on my sleep, so I don’t have to notice a coach. So there’s one thing about finding the boundary of a thing that I think will happen in the future is that we will use more technology. Now a lot of startups that are creating technology to improve well being the will be shifted between, between those that those technologies that really serve people and technologies that if we will use them, we will become more robotic actually, because they are also technologies that are in development that people can put on the body that gives certain vibrational signals to relax the body. But is that what we want is that I don’t believe in that direction. I think the the most human thing that we can do is teach people how to recover and relax.
self awareness, self awareness. Exactly.
Yes. So what is your best tip to make the world a better place?
Yet the best tips to make the world a better place is about becoming more aware of yourself. We already talked about well being that’s becoming more aware about what is going on in your in your brain, what is going on in your body, but it’s also about awareness about who am I and how do we like to build I think that will be one of the most amazing Things that we should learn,
and how will that make the world a better place?
Well, what I noticed is that when people are less stressful, for example, and when people know themselves better at a deeper level, they can deal better with different situations. So they will not be come very stressful when somebody is shouting at them, for example, they will just relax. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have an emotional reaction only that emotional reaction will not last for a very long time. So they will be very aware of their own behavior. What we also see is when people are more relaxed, their executive brain gets more energy. And that’s why we are better at self reflection, for example, and I think self reflection is one of the most important things to have. Because that moment of that ability gives us the opportunity to learn and also to reflect on our own behavior.
Yeah, and then you make better choices and you create better things and you relate with people Basically,
exactly, exactly. Yes.
So thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing your story and your knowledge with us how people can find you.
People can find me on my website, people can find me on LinkedIn. I’m showing a lot of content on LinkedIn. That is Sunder Herman. I’m always open to getting messages and to answer people’s questions.
I hope this conversation helps you to define better what well being or stress is for you, or at least to get next steps towards that because to create a better world, first you need to know and realize what kind of world you want to live in.

In this episode, I have a conversation with a very unique guest Dr. Jacqueline Hobbs also known as Oracle Girl ( She has had extraordinary abilities since childhood and I believe she is a very highly consciously evolved human being. We talk about the future of business, new ways of working, what steps we need to take towards that and how to live all of you and your full potential. At the end, Jacqueline does a purification regarding the topic.

Episode notes:

  • Jaqueline’s Personal journey to embrace her potential. 
  • How to be more inclusive and accepting for gifted, talented people which we don’t understand. 
  • What are Jaqueline’s super abilities. 
  • Where we are as humankind living our potential & how we can progress in that. 
  • Where the world is going. 
  • How business is changing in the future. 
  • The ways we work differently in the future. 
  • What are the first steps towards the new vision of how we do business. 
  • The concept of leadership and the change of its definition.
  • What is Jaqueline’s definition of a successful business. 
  • How the business is changing with new generations.
  • How to know who you are and not get lost in all the possibilities, new ways, and approaches.
  • Why connecting back to the natural environment is one of the most important aspects to be a successful business. 
  • Why sustainability, HR and other support functions don’t work as it supposed to in the companies.
  • How sensitive people can thrive in organizations and offer their talents.
  • Why we have so many burnout cases, what went wrong. 
  • How to live all who you are and how to know who you are and not society, parents’ definitions of it. 
  • How Jaqueline’s abilities work in practice.
  • Purification track

The future of business

ELAIRA: My name is Elaira. Welcome to Tea and Business Lounge Podcast, Episode Four. Today, I have truly, very unique guest and her name is Jacqueline Hobbs, also known as Oracle Girl. She has extraordinary abilities since her childhood, and I believe she’s very highly consciously evolved human being. In this podcast we will talk with her about future of the business and how to live all of you and your full potential. So, welcome, Jacqueline.

JACQUELINE: Ah, so nice to be here.

ELAIRA: I really even don’t know how introduce you, Jacqueline, to be honest, because even till now I don’t know how to label you in my head’s.

JACQUELINE: Yeah, it can be very difficult to find the right words sometimes.

ELAIRA: Exactly, and usually I’m full of words, so usually I’m good, but you are really extraordinary and you have special abilities.


ELAIRA: Can I ask a personal question?


ELAIRA: I find it very inspiring and very courageous that you decided just to live your full potential. I just can’t imagine what journey it has been for you – to embrace it – and there are a lot of people who know that they are different and they know they have a lot of talent, but as well they want to belong and connect to this world…

JACQUELINE: Very important.

ELAIRA: …and, and to fit in and the-, these two parts are struggling.


ELAIRA: So, how did you went through that journey? How did you decided to take a risk…


ELAIRA: …and to be courageous?

JACQUELINE: I didn’t really decide, in a way, because I was always like it from, from the beginning and, in fact, a lot of my early journey was about trying to keep myself hidden and not too conspicuous because it seemed to have quite a huge impact sometimes on people around me, which I didn’t understand. And, at points, it has been extremely lonely, even with people around me who do understand a little bit more about me. It’s been a journey of discovering, actually, how to cope with what I can do and what I am capable of, which of course is the same for everybody else as well.

ELAIRA: Exactly.

JACQUELINE: It’s just that, maybe, the potential of what I have is a little bit bigger, in some cases, than most people. It’s been a process of having the courage to show more of who I am, regardless of the reaction. And there have been times in my life where I’ve kind of been forced to, or it’s been pulled out of me, and then other times where it’s been a little bit at a time, and then more and more, and, and then a sudden leap again. And, just like everybody else luckily, I am very human and very vulnerable. And yet, at the same time – as you use that word I will use again – I am also quite extraordinary. But that is the same for everyone, which is good.

ELAIRA: Exactly. And I feel a lot of people can relate to that…


ELAIRA: …and feel really lonely.


ELAIRA: So, I want to invite them to do that.

JACQUELINE: Yes. And we can take risks, and we can express our vulnerability in the business arena, so that colleagues, even customers, understand us more and even if they don’t, so that we feel we’ve included ourselves more in that arena. It’s amazing that, even if you don’t get heard that well, you can feel really amazing for just having taken the risk of actually showing what you feel and represented yourself a bit more. We are all so tired of being treated, often unconsciously, as products ourselves, impersonally, without care. And the big problem with a lot of businesses, not all, at the moment, is that there is a lack of care and just a roll-out, according to, apparently, a highly efficient process that also brings in a certain amount of expenditure, but nobody feels valued, nobody feels particularly recognised, and even the things we experience as a result of these interactions make us feel even more empty, they don’t fulfil us. So, there’s obviously something really big missing and that’s something that’s about the emotional, and also about feelings of belonging and contentment, doing good on the planet and benefitting others. Human beings are not just pure, they’re compassionate. They’re also, they’re dreamers. And I don’t mean that in a wishy-washy fantasy or even particularly spiritual way. It’s actually very, very material and pragmatic and practical – what I mean by being a dreamer. We are in the business of envisaging and modelling for ourselves, very often, in many moments a day, a better planet. And we’re always looking at things and thinking, “It really shouldn’t be like that, it’d be so much easier if it was like this.” We do it all the time. And yet, where is the space for that? And when we enter into that process we ground, we connect with nature and the environment again as well, because we feel more present and in our bodies. And then we bring more of our more enlightened range of consciousness back into business practice. So, even if we take a small risk of saying what we think, even if it’s, you know, met with, you know, derision or just being ignored, we tend to feel a little bit better ourselves. And if we were to encourage that in our colleagues, and have that as a more central value in our business practices, that’s one of the first big steps to getting all of ourselves back into those often quite high pressure and driven arenas.

ELAIRA: Hmm. So, how can we be more inclusive and more accepting?

JACQUELINE: We need to come out of the full spectrum of our potential, and particularly our human consciousness. If we are only acting out of a very small or narrow amount of our own being, and then we’re attempting to find solutions out of systems and more boxy-type approaches that we’ve already got, all we’re going to do is limit ourselves more and more and then get more and more frustrated. It’s more about us losing and shedding what is holding us back which, believe it or not, doesn’t start even in business but actually starts with the way that your body is wired to receive the entirety of your potential and your human consciousness. We literally need to go through a process, as a species, of upgrading, not only our body and its ability to receive all of our consciousness, but we need to get into more practical arrangements where we can learn how to actually live the full spectrum of our consciousness, even before we start looking at how we apply, who and what we are, to the world in a certain arena. And that’s about purification, and it’s also about coming across the spaces and the gifted people, maybe the somewhat extraordinary people that you’re referring to, like myself, who are able to bring that to the world. As yet, there are not so many people who have that gift yet, although there are masses amounts of people who are realising they do have that ability themselves, and want to know how to learn to do that, too.

ELAIRA: So, what are your extraordinary abilities? Maybe you can share with people and tell us a bit more about it.

JACQUELINE: Yeah. Well, I think to put it in its wider context, you know, there are certain people here now, on the planet, who have really come to help with solutions to the really big problems. And in my own case, I have something, perhaps new, to bring, particularly to business and the whole matter of rebuilding our society, which also includes very special abilities to help open up and change people’s consciousness and their bodies so that they can actually live and act comfortably with their own consciousness, and then really effectively change their communities and the world around us practically, including the ways that we do business.

ELAIRA: So, where we are as human kind – in living our fullest potential at the moment?


ELAIRA: And how can we progress in that?

JACQUELINE: Mmm. Well, I think, at the moment, nearly everybody is either very frustrated and they’re not really living their potential and the world is looking at a scenario where we are actually bursting out and breaking out of things that haven’t worked and we don’t quite know where to go. And I think that the way that we need to cope with that and start looking, first of all, is wh-, where and how we can get help for actually harnessing all of ourselves, to go forward, to reapply what we’ve got to the situations in front of us.

ELAIRA: Yeah, we know that a lot of old ways don’t work.


ELAIRA: But what else?


ELAIRA: What’s possible? And then it…

JACQUELINE: That’s the time in what we’re, in which we’re living now.

ELAIRA: So, where the world is going, in your eyes?

JACQUELINE: Hmm. In my eyes, I would say two things in answer to that question. In general, I would say that the world is going in a very fast, upward direction, in terms of society being more able to provide the things that are needed for everybody, and not just narrow sections of society, and that we are on an upward pathway of evolution. But, the second half of that answer is that we are also, therefore, because of that, facing a world where there is going to be a great deal of hard, practical work undoing what doesn’t work and maybe a lot of difficult emotional processes to go through as we cope, not only with our own experience of that, but also have to take into account the reactions and the experiences of others who maybe are on the same path as us, or may be even resistant or asleep to that.

ELAIRA: Let’s narrow it down a little bit to business.

JACQUELINE: Sure, yeah.

ELAIRA: Because a lot of systems are collapsing, like political, like financial, or at least shaken at this moment, and business is gaining more and more trust from people to do the right thing…


ELAIRA: …to make the world a better place.


ELAIRA: So, in your eyes, how the business is changing and evolving in the future?
JACQUELINE: I think what I’ve noticed, even from the people who are coming to see me and would like help from me, is that they’re realising that, in order to change their organisations and their business approach, that they need some kind of extra help with how to actually come out of a part of themselves that will be more powerful, more quickly. And nine times out of ten, they don’t really know, even, what that is but they get attracted to me because they know that there’s something there which is beyond their normal everyday way of thinking, and all the approaches they’ve tried so far, and that when they start to include that, it’s like the magic ingredient that makes all of their practical knowledge and their business experience and their vision actually start to work better.

ELAIRA: So, do you see the ways we work differently in the future?

JACQUELINE: Yes, absolutely. I mean, I think we’re going to find that we have a more flat, power-sharing type of system where people, not only are nominating themselves for certain tasks that in the past we might have said is just the job description of a CEO or maybe a management committee or even someone who just comes in and checks the electronic eq-, equipment in an office, to everybody actually doing what they want to do, according to their skills and an immediacy in the moment which comes out of their own reactions. And there will be a permissioning also, amongst others around them, and a community structure in a business that will recognise that it’s OK and it’s even applauded for people to speak up and say, “I want to do that. I don’t want to do that.” “I’ve got the skills for this, rather than you,” regardless of who they are, how long they’ve been in an organisation, how old they are, what training they have, or what they don’t have. It’s going to be more needs must. It’s going to be more reflexive. It’s certainly going to be more intuitive. And it’s, again, it’s going to come out of the part of someone that actually speeds up and gets excited and passionate about the possibility they see in front of them, whether they know how to do it or not. Because the connect, first of all, is in that part of yourself where the heart opens and you know you have some skills but you are willing to take the risks then, to develop the rest because you know, somehow, it’s yours to do and you deeply want to. What’s missing from business organisations in general, at the moment, is a lot of people are confined to doing huge amounts of tasks they don’t want to do, and they are even being forced to do things that they don’t know how to do as part of a job description or a mandate coming from somewhere in the organisation, rather from the highest frequency of themselves. The higher the frequency out of which we act, the more successful – whatever we do, whether we know what to do or not – because we will then attract the solutions and we will find them through our own tenacity and enthusiasm and wish to succeed. That’s a very different vision of business to everyone waiting for the orders to come out, or being put in charge of just one thing and feeling vastly unsupported or unseen by the rest of the organisation and feeling that you’re struggling with what you’re doing.

ELAIRA: It seems like we’re quite, not there…


ELAIRA: …with a vision. So, what would be the first steps towards that? What would be your recommendation?

JACQUELINE: In my experience, there’s two approaches there. First of all, those who are still perhaps classically more in charge of a business organisation than others, they need to get help to open up on those higher levels because an organisation will only be as successful as the main person who is in charge of it, if that structure is the way, is the one that is still in place. In any type of work that I do, you will only be as strong as the highest vibration of the person who actually leads. The whole organisation will follow suit from the group or the one person who is actually at the moment given the most centralised or the, or the greatest amount of power. So, first of all, it’s the people in perhaps somewhat old structures who are still seen as being at the top or with more responsibility. They have to change so that everything that ripples out from them starts to follow suit. But then also, we need a reciprocal and an equal power-sharing arrangement to come into those situations where everybody who’s working around those key figures is also receiving that type of approach in their areas, so then we move into those flat power-sharing arrangements. And then we can break down even the structure that might be holding that together, like someone at the top or someone only in one area or at the bottom. And there is more redistribution then of attention, focus, skills, power, money, across the skills and the different, if you like, coordinates of the business and how it functions.

ELAIRA: So, if I understand right, the leadership as we understand now is collapsing too.

JACQUELINE: Yes, or its definition is changing.

ELAIRA: Definition?

JACQUELINE: The clas-, if we just take one very narrow definition of leadership and, of course, there are many more enlightened definitions out there already, but if we see leadership as, you know, one person in charge and everyone else then, you know, in a kind of trickle-down structure from that, then that definition, while it may be valid sometimes, in some ways, for some people, it needs to be more nominated and allocated, probably different places in a business organisation now, if we are to really open up the way that we work because there are so many other ways of understanding leadership and there are so many more needs for different types of leadership besides that. And also, do we really need the word ‘leadership’ anymore? Maybe in some areas we do, but it is a bit of an outdated concept because a lot about what makes success happen is not about leading. Often it’s about listening. It’s about waiting, and only acting sometimes. It’s about delegating. And leadership, in itself, we definitely would need to redefine it, but it may not even be a, a valid label anymore – in some areas of some organisations and maybe completely for some organisations.

ELAIRA: I’m curious, what is your definition of successful organisation?

JACQUELINE: For me, it is very much about everybody being able to innovate and create more, having met the needs and the wishes of not only the business organisation, but those they’ve set out to help or fulfil the, the wishes of.

ELAIRA: Beautiful. So, how do you think business and the world is changing, with those new generations coming in place, because they are so different? Like Millennials, Gen Z, to, to give a label, but I’m talking about these new waves of people.
JACQUELINE: Well, I can only answer from, you know, what I’m seeing so far amongst my own work, you know, I’m seeing, particularly, a younger generation of people who don’t really want to be seen necessarily just in terms of their workplace, they want to be seen as individuals who empower, perhaps, many different workplaces, that they work according to their own style and are given responsibility then for delivering, that they have access to resources to do that, support to do that, but then the free rein to bring in their own solutions and use their own creativity. And, particularly in much younger people, I am seeing also even quite hard-edged approach, which is, “We do know the answers, either you’re listening or you’re not,” which can be very courageous act for them. But also, sometimes, it can even be a little bit isolating because then they choose not to be parts of things if they’re not listened to because they don’t want to compromise themselves. And I think that we are dealing with a new approach emotionally and spiritually and physically and certainly ethically in younger people towards business and how they want to use their skills, as well as seeing that there are a lot of needs in people who are already employed to break out of structures and to answer more to themselves as well. And I’m often giving groups and doing purification work around those two areas, as well as what I previously mentioned, people who have a lot of responsibility who want to change and want to hand over more but don’t know how to.

ELAIRA: We talk about these new ways and new approaches and the world is offering so many new possibilities. How in all of that change and all this hard transformation to know who you are?

JACQUELINE: Mmm. Well, that’s a really good question. You know, one of the biggest things that gets left out, I think, at the moment, particularly in the business sphere, is that in order to know who you are, if that’s a valid question, which I do want to go into as well, is you cannot really answer that question without thinking about the impact of what you’re doing on the environment. We are beings who live interrelated with nature and we have an impact on our environment. And, if we are not looking at everything we do, in terms of our relationship with all the beings on the planet, then we are in very big trouble and not much of what we do, even the highest consciousness ideas, will not translate well for the planet as one organism, because we are dependent on our environment for our survival, and our environment is coping but not doing too well as a result of our impact on it. And our business approaches need, first and foremost, to be interlaced with that if we’re really going to go forward in the way we want to see, i.e. being successful with what we put out into the world.

ELAIRA: So, you say one of the key and most important aspect to be a successful business is to connect back to natural environment?

JACQUELINE: Well, first and foremost, if – through our business practices – we continue to destroy the quality of oxygen in the air and the water in the seas and we pollute our environment with the by-products, or even the main products, of our business activities, then we are harming ourselves and we are harming the planet. And at some point, we won’t be able to continue. And we’re very close to that point, in the opinions of, of some people. It’s not really working. So, the first answer to the question is we can’t continue, if we continue that way. That’s why it’s so important. The, the survival of our species is possibly on the table, something which everybody seems to talk about a lot but still doesn’t seem to be changing all that much or in the bigger ways that we would have hoped it would have done. But there are many more reasons. The, the more we ground into and connect with nature and the environment, even as a part of our workplace, let alone our business practices, the more healthy we become and the easier it is to deliver efficiency for a place and, and clients to be happy as a result of interactions with us and what we do. Business is about people. It is about products and money, but it comes out of people delivering and envisaging and creating processes to make those things possible. If people are not happy, there, there is not success. And, for people to be happy, there needs to be a connection with nature because people are interacting out of a body sphere and the body originates from and follows the rules of nature. Whether you’re in the middle of a city or you’re sitting out in the countryside – we are made from nature. That’s how we function. If we don’t obey those things and honour those principles, then our business activities will fall on very dry ground.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and I see that a lot happening.


ELAIRA: It’s very interesting you mentioned that, and I think there’s quite a bridge to make. Companies start to involve concepts like sustainability, let’s be more conscious about how we make business, but I still feel we’re quite far from it. So, what would be…

JACQUELINE: Yes, ‘cause it’s the wrong way round.


JACQUELINE: What we’re doing is – we’re trying to fit the environment into our business practices. And actually, what we need to do is come from the purity of our own selves, which we will discover has an intimate connection with nature and then everything that we do in business will be that sustainability. It’s a lie when we try to write sustainability into our businesses or we put, even, HR into our commercial operations. As soon as you start seeing that you know it’s not happening, because you’re trying to factor it in by the back door because it was left out at the very beginning. We can’t have those approaches anymore. We need an inclusivity – vibrationally – of all of our being. ‘Cause that’s who we are, right? The full spectrum of our consciousness, which we can’t necessarily put into words but we know, by the results, we may be leaving things out. We need to actually include all of those relationships right at the beginning, then we don’t have to do these very superficial campaigns about how a company is in harmony with nature and doing a bit of recycling on the side. These are piecemeal things which really are quite fake.

ELAIRA: What would be the first steps for companies to do regarding that environment thing?

JACQUELINE: Yes. I would advise all companies, as I do already, to first get in touch with someone like me to actually purify the consciousness, first of their management structures, but also of their business organisation and to work with the individuals in that, to raise their vibration so that everything they do is then inclusive of all the concerns that we’ve been talking about. If you start on that highest vibration then everything you do will follow but you can’t bring it back in having started at a lower vibration.

ELAIRA: So, in other words, inside out, instead of outside in?,

JACQUELINE: Yes, absolutely, yes.

ELAIRA: I want to talk about sensitive people in this world…


ELAIRA: …and is this change period.


ELAIRA: Because there are a lot of sensitive people in the companies who are really struggling…


ELAIRA: …because, still, structures are not built for them.


ELAIRA: And, on the other hand, those sensitive people are those pioneers of the heart.

JACQUELINE: They have the, a lot of the skills that we need.

ELAIRA: A lot of the skills to offer.


ELAIRA: So, what would be your advice? How for them to fit in and not to feel stuck, not to feel misunderstood?

JACQUELINE: Mmm. Well, I think they can’t help but be misunderstood – because they are misunderstood – and that some of the responsibility doesn’t really lie with them, it’s with the people who are employing them. And that’s the problem. I think that the starting point there is for organisations to start including the needs of their employees – sensitive and maybe less sensitive, if there is such a thing – and to become more inclusive also in their hiring policies. And also, to be more transparent about what they can and what they can’t offer. Because, so often, sensitive people particularly suffer in companies because they’re led to think that there will be things there for them which there aren’t and then it’s very difficult for them to even show a small amount of their talent and their ability.

ELAIRA: Right, they have to shrink in?


ELAIRA: And there’s a lot of burnout.


ELAIRA: It’s one of the biggest disease, actually.

JACQUELINE: Of course.

ELAIRA: What do you think? What went wrong? Why are we having it?

JACQUELINE: Well, burnout is a direct outcome of our current business structures and the way we think about money and the way we think about ourselves. It all starts with the way that we think about ourselves. We are still conditioned by some of the more controlling ideas in our society which make us think that we have to flog ourselves to death in order to be successful or that, you know, heaven comes at the end of sacrifice. Sometimes that is true. A lot of us have had experiences where it’s not easy to bring what we are out into the world and it’s very well worth it, and that the struggle and the difficulty can be productive. But we don’t need that as the overarching, or the central premise on which we succeed in this society. Because if we’re all exhausted as a result of achieving even just a very small amount of our potential, then we’re not going to get very far, very fast. Burnout is the outcome of believing that results always come in the future. If we were to change our perspective and realise that if we start from a place, not of lack but actually of fulfilment, and that we start from a place of relaxation and all of who we are, then only more results like that will follow. But that all comes back to then, us starting with all of who we are, not just a small definition made by money, outcomes, or theories or ideas about what is successful. Concept-driven delivery rarely works unless it is used very responsibly in small areas applied to a much bigger vista where we have more enlightened values already.

ELAIRA: Yeah, and talking about that – all of you, who you are. It’s such a tricky concept for me as well, because how do you know who you are? You’ve been living imprinted with society, ideas of who you are, your parents’ ideas of who you are, it becomes of who you are, too.


ELAIRA: So, how do you separate? How do you know?

JACQUELINE: Well, on the one hand, you don’t know if you try to articulate it, just like you were saying at the beginning of this podcast, it’s very hard to put it all into words. But, as is particularly part of my gift, if I were to say to everybody listening here, “Well, you are a pure being.” There’s your answer in about four or five words and everybody resonates the min-, the minute that I say that. You know that you have got things that you’re working on which are not perfect but you know, almost deep down or intrinsically, that somewhere in you that is true or that it must be true and that it can be true, materially and practically. Actually, we all know the answer to the question of who we are – we’re pure love. We are extraordinary beings who are capable of anything. It’s not so much about answering the question, or even getting too metaphysical. It’s about how to connect with that and bring it out into the world. And that’s what I specialise in. And also, what makes me quite extraordinary is that I have abilities to be able to change the wiring and organisations in your physical body and to, if you like, replumb your whole consciousness so that all of that purity and all of that love and all of that capacity, that tremendous intelligence which is connected with the earth and the skies as well, how that can come out into the world is made possible by some of the skills and the abilities that I’ve brought with me.

ELAIRA: Beautiful. I really can’t wait to be all of who I am.

JACQUELINE: I shall say a little bit about how I do that, so people who are listening have got a tangible sort of idea or some practical examples of how I go about that, say, in business or maybe even the group that you were in.

ELAIRA: Yeah, I still struggle to cognise it in my head. I just know in my heart it works. And I even call it “the magic happens” when I work with you or I’m in your presence – I start to feel like everything starts to flow.


ELAIRA: I meet people I need or things just start to happen and, or I feel completely differently.

JACQUELINE: That’s a great description. If you come into contact with what I call ‘the purification space,’ which is what I naturally hold, if you like, by my presence, then what is in the way starts to –somewhat mysteriously – just drop out of the equation. Not miraculously or really rapidly, it’s actually very slow and steady. And what usually happens is that people hear about me or see a picture and then, as they become more involved with what I do or even just start to interact with the feeling of me, in their minds from a distance, something starts to happen where everything opens up in them. And then, when I actually go to work with a business or a group, such as you attended, or even an individual comes to speak to me, that intensifies and it becomes deeper and I will look in someone’s eyes, I will touch points on their body or I will go deeply inside myself and I have the ability to actually raise the setting of my unconsciousness so it will very specifically wrap around the person or the organisation or the place that I’m focusing on and I can make that process speed up so that success and flow starts to come naturally into the material layer of reality. And that’s what it’s all about. We actually have to have material change now. We can’t philosophise anymore. We can study practices and ideas that will help change the world, but we can’t study forever. And we do actually need to see results in this time. There’s a lot of talking but there’s still only some action.

ELAIRA: So, I thought, how about we experience you? Can you do one of your, what you call ‘purifications’ to us today?


just relaxing
and listening to my voice.

You are a pure being
of infinite consciousness
ready to transform
your work
and your society
into an experience
which benefits all beings on this planet
including nature
and the environment
of which you are so inextricably linked with.

Receiving this purification
for everything in you
which now
needs to drop away
and transmute
so that you can show
all of who you are
all of your gifts and talents
at the very highest vibration
in every arena of your life
and specifically
in the world
of business
and earning money.

Pure love is the vibration of change.

It is what brings real solutions.

money obeys
the highest
and principles
of human beings.

We are opening
to a new possibility
in our ways of working
and using money.

Let the solutions now flow
from the inside out
so that we undo the old
and build the new

ELAIRA: Mmm, thank you so much. I feel so expansive and relaxed now. Thank you for being here with me and sharing your knowledge.

JACQUELINE: I’ve really enjoyed it, thank you.

ELAIRA: So, see you next time, in your next meeting.


ELAIRA: If you enjoyed this episode please share it, rate it or write a review. Thank you. And remember – if you want to create a better world – it starts first with knowing and realising what kind of world you want to live in.

Millennials are the most recent generation to hit the workforce. And according to Deloitte data, by 2020 millennials will cover 75% of the global workforce.

Today my special guest is Wing-Yan Man, Millenial Coach and founder of 3310 School for Millennials. In this episode, we discuss key characteristics of millennials, challenges, and opportunities

Show notes:

·  Wing-Yan Man journey and personal story of becoming a founder of 3310 School for Millennials.

The purpose of 3310 School for Millennials.

·  Who are Millenials?

·  What are Millenials key characteristics?

·  In the business world, are millennials more a challenge or more opportunity?

·  Millenials as a bridging generation

·  How work is a part of identity and meaning for millennials.

·  Key challenges Millenials are facing at work.

·  What are the keys struggles to manage millennials?

·  Most important tip for Millenial managers.

·  Tips for millennials how to manage themselves.

·  Old values, confusion of many ways to live your life & struggle of not having standards to live up to anymore.

·  How Millenials are different from generation Z and what are their characteristics.

·  Resilience of Millenials and Generation Z.

·  Where the world is going with new generations

·  New ways of defining what is a success.

·  Best tip how we can make a world a better place.

Millennials: challenges and opportunities

Hello, and welcome to tea and business lounge podcast, Episode Three. My name is Elaira. And today I have with me Wing, Millenial coach. We will talk about millennials, who they are, what are the challenges and opportunities? Welcome ing. Thank you. So nice to have you here today. Thank you. So how did you get your current job?

I studied engineering. I’m a civil engineer at heart. And then I graduated as a Master of Science and I wanted to work in a corporate big corporate, I think that was what I thought was success, you know, and the big jobs and all that. So I went into corporate consultancy and mostly on it and because I understood how the company worked, and I knew what I wanted to do in the company, I was very Fast in growing in the company and have a career, at some point when I was at really high position, I think definitely for the amount of years that had experience with and the age back then I was think was 27. Some people told me, hey, maybe you should go to see the company doctor. And I didn’t understand why because of course, I was stressed. But you know, I had a good job, and I was having all these important readings and appointed people. And yes, I’m stressed, but I saw all the other people around me were also stressed. So why would I be different? And I went there. And then they said, at some point, I think you are in a burnout. And I thought, wow, I thought burnout will be for people that couldn’t get out of bed anymore. But I was perfectly able to do sports. I was meeting my friends still was going holiday. So I didn’t understand how I got burned out. And I think that is the danger of getting burnout. You don’t realize it because when you are less in survival mode, you’re constantly productive and only when you really take a stance Back, then your body would say, okay, right now, I’m allowed to rest. And then it really comes in, then you really realize that you’re mentally exhausted. Then I saw a lot of other young people like me, not per se getting burned out, but lose a lot of energy in the company. Basically, they started with maybe a traineeship, they were young and ambitious. And then maybe in half a year, their spirit just died down at some point. And I was like, wow, this is kind of sad, because we’re in our 20s and distribute the time where we should be living our lives and be so happy. But now they were just the say, bit numb. They just thought, Well, okay, this is the job that I have. I’m not really inspired by it. But you know, I’m making money. So this is it, apparently. And when I took step back, I thought for my own confidence, I want to start my own company. And I wanted to use this experience of my own burnout to inspire other people not to get burned up.

What is your job

and what is the purpose of it. I’m a founder of 3310 school. For millennials, and how I found that it is that I saw a lot of people from my age, which are millennials. While they miss certain skills that we did not learn in school and how to survive in this world, I think we grew up with technology. But technology has developed so fast. And a school we were not prepared for the things that came with these technologies. And the changes that we see right now in the world. For example, when internet came up, everything was more available, more instantly available, and was connecting, more connecting Yes, also. And you see that there are more choices. For example, nowadays, instead of how I looked at my parents that they had to choose where to go on holiday, we can just say, Well, next week, I just want to be there and buy a ticket. So it’s a totally different mindset. And I think with all these choices, and the things that go so fast right now that we did not learn the things that we should have learned at school, and with the school I would like to prepare at least this generation, I would call In between generation to learn the skills to be more confident and more self reflective, to be more aware of what you really want instead of just following others.

Yeah, so can you tell me more about this in between generation?

Well, there’s official term millennials when you were born between 1981 and 2000. As you can see, that’s a really wide range in age already, I think the oldest will be right now. 38, and then the youngest will be 18. So also, of course, in human development, when you’re 18, you make different choices, or you deal with different things when you’re 38. But what I would say this generation is still born with growing up in an analog world 3310 my school says where the the Nokia, most for most of the people, it’s the first phone, we know how it is not to live with a mobile phone, but right now we cannot live without it. And that transition, I think it’s very characterizing this generation is also the first generation that needs to go to the doctor. market in that sense with this technologies and the changes in the businesses that also has a lot of consequences, I would say in how we live and how we work nowadays.

So what I keep hearing turistic of millennials,

I think if you look, the characteristics, is how we grew up with is that we are always multitasking. Because we grew up with technology. We can do many things at the same time. And we’re always busy in our heads with something else so you can see it and how, for example, we watch Netflix, you probably watch Netflix, but you’re also working on your phone, and you’re even checking your emails for your work, or I don’t know what you’re doing. Maybe you’re cooking. So we’re constantly doing multiple things at the same time, which is a strength, because it makes you accomplish a lot of things. But it also could be harmful for the focus because it’s hard to focus at some point and then you might not get always things done and also your head might be overworked. That sense. Yeah. Another thing is that we do like flexibility. We need to be free. We don’t want to be limited with choices. We grew up in a world with choices, and therefore, we want these choices always been there. The downside of that part is that too many choices. Of course, you’ll never be happy with the choice that you make, because you always compare your choice with other other results. But we don’t want to be limited, at least you say, right now, we have to say 10 types of milk and we say tomorrow, you have to actually it will probably be healthier, but it would not be preferred by millennials. I know. Another thing is that we see everyone as equal as there is less authority. Everybody is a person we all see each other as in you have your strengths, you have your talents, you have your personality. And there is even though if you might be a top at some firm or your appear, we all communicate in the same way in a very informal way because it’s easiest for us to do you see that Bobby in how we started communicating on Amazon is very informal, and we like to keep that vibe. Another characteristic I would say is that we want all kinds of success. So we want the old values, the money, the status, the security bunnies on the hand, you want the purpose, the happiness, the striving to make the world better, I would say everything is that we wanted. I think our last characteristic, a key characteristic is that we strive for impact, have our own identity and to really leave something behind. I wouldn’t say that any other generation doesn’t have it. But we want to do things on our own. We want to accomplish something. We don’t want to have things been given to us anymore. And that the downfall is that because we want to do everything by ourselves. We don’t like to ask for help. And we don’t like to say no or we don’t like to show weakness because it means that even though you had all these things that has been given to you You still do not succeed. And that’s what I see a lot in a workplace that it’s hard to ask for help or to actually say that you don’t like you’re scared to maybe get fired or that people think you’re weak or that you cannot do it, by actually creating these boundaries, of course, by saying what you don’t like what you do, like case, more clarity, also for the other person to help you and to help you where you want to become. Yeah.

What do you think, in the business world and organization? Are millennials more that challenge or more opportunity?

Or is an opportunity?

And so many of our challenges,

there are so many challenges, but I would say you need a middle generation, like I said, From the start, it’s a transition generation. And they are basically the bridge between, let’s say, the analog and the digital so they understand how all processes worked, and how to, for example, where we had MS DOS, we do understand a bit of computers and they To understand a new generation where they come from, and you need them to be that bridge and to translate that into a new world,

right? So you mentioned about this identity that for millennials, job becomes more identity thing, not just the work making money. Mm hmm. Can you elaborate on that?

If you look for millennials, I think, Well, most of the millennials have studied. And we have a lot of life experience already. If you compare it in that sense with our parents, because we could have traveled a lot. I wouldn’t say there’s a lot of life experience. Of course that comes with the years that’s a different thing. Because we know how it is to basically already enjoy life. Then we also want to enjoy the work because like I said, working doesn’t stop at 5pm anymore. It goes on the whole day. And Bobby Yeah, then then you want to feel connected and the importance there is you want to develop yourself more. I would say for millennials, that’s a big value to learn how to deal with To learn what you feel that’s right for you how to make better choices

here. So what are the key challenges Millennials are facing at work in your point of view?

Well, what you can see, if you look at big companies, of course, change is hard. I think, if you compare, of course, with a startup and to a corporate, is that the startup everything’s more free, it’s an alternative. And everything’s more fun, or at least more informal. And when you become bigger, and you scale up you, of course, you want to have processes in place, because you want to scale up, you want to be bigger. So there needs to be rules, there needs to be standards. And you need order, basically, what you see what bigger companies they have that order right now. But in a world that is changing so fast with technology, mostly, you don’t know how it’s going to be in five years. But the companies cannot change as fast because they’re already fixed, in essence. And I think when millennials come to a company, they will think well, there used to change all the time. So they would see like, Oh yeah, this company that I Go with, probably everything that I want right now is going to happen in the next, let’s say a year or two. But the processes just don’t change as fast as we think we would. The challenging part is to have that patience and to realize, okay, when I do something here, right now, it might take a couple of years to actually develop, or it might take a couple of years to actually come to result. As millennials, we’re not used to that we’re definitely an on demand generation. We want things now because we’re so used to have everything’s now and everything at hand, then we become impatient and frustrated, that struggle between these different generations not understanding each other, that the millennials want things faster. And the older generation just thinks, well, you know, sometimes you just need to take time, actually, sometimes time is a good thing. I think that also frustrates a lot and there’s a lot of miscommunication there.

And I can see that a lot in the world.

So what are the key struggles for baby boomers or

their managers how they are dealing with And what are they frustrated,

I would say I’ve done a couple of generation workshops where we put different generations in one room. And what I’ve seen there actually is understanding among each other. And also the values are not as much different from any other generation because we are humans and we have certain needs, for example, recognition, we want to belong we, we want to be happy with ourselves, and we will identify with our workplace. But I think the way to reach all these things in these values is different. So what I’ve seen with the older generations, for example, they have been taught that you grow in a company in one company, basically a job for life. So you start from the bottom, you work your way up, the younger generation doesn’t see like this. Basically, we grew up with Google, all the information that we think is there, we just can Google it, right?

If you don’t know as Google

Yes. So and, and I would say that, I think with that difference We don’t assume so much from older generations. Because if you look back in, in millennials childhood, where we were raised with internet, our parents were working, but we had a lot of time at hands to be on the internet and to search for things. And even our parents came to us to, to understand how internet works and how to how to send an email, for example. So we see people more as equal, because apparently older doesn’t always mean wiser. I wouldn’t say that’s not true. But I think with that mentality, I really don’t like to be assumed what other people tell us because we can look it up ourselves. And we do want to learn what I’ve seen that the older generation might think that you don’t want to learn anything because they don’t assume anything that they say. We do want to learn. We just want to learn in our own way. And I think the base for that is because we’ve been given so much we grew up in wealth, we could buy anything, we can travel anywhere, we can study what we want it and right now, all that wealth is feels like it’s been given. And we don’t feel like we actually made it ourselves. And now I think we have a time where we want to do it ourselves. I really have the feeling okay, I accomplished something. And when someone tells us, hey, this is how you should do it, and it’s what I’ve always been done for the next 20 years, then it doesn’t feel that you’ve accomplished it yourself anymore, you know, then you It feels like you needed some help again, and then you feel weak. So we want to figure it out ourselves. Yeah, how to how to get basically.

So what is your practical tip or all the generations how to manage this? Because we bring in the issue where like what to do with it? Yes.

In a while, always offer it, never push your knowledge to them. Don’t see them as you’re unequal. See them as equal. We all have our own authority. We all have our own talents and our own strengths. And as an older generation, offer your help and ask not telling but mostly asking work related questions will be like in how do you do this and why do you do this? Tell me what you need from me to bring you further. For example,

yeah, so in other words, seek to understand instead of a forum,

yes, because at some point when you get respect from a millennial they will listen to you. But it’s the first part is getting that respect. And you usually don’t get as much respect as you want if you just tell them what to do.

You know, for millennials is not about titles anymore. It’s not about status anymore. They respect you because of who you are and what you bring on a table. Instead of you know, what title you hold.

Yes, the hard part with millennials is redo actually value things that we grew up with from our parents. Our parents have told us you know, being successful is you are educated, you get a good job, you get a house, you start a family, all that basically the old values, but millennials come to the workplace, in a new world where things are more driven on purpose on having impact on being happy, and your identity. So I think The difficulty with VLANs is that we wanted all we do want the, you know, the status, actually, we do want the stats, we do want the money, we do want the security, but on the other hand, we also want to happiness and everything being great and living my life as I want to. And I think that is a struggle, because at some point, you have to realize that you cannot have it all. And that is, of course not what millennials want to hear that they cannot have it all because they were raised that they can have it all. So that feels like a failure if you cannot have it. If you look right now, Millennials feel that they are to blame for themselves that they couldn’t get the job that they wanted, even though they studied and maybe had like two or three masters. It’s not always their fault, but they feel like they have failed because they were raised with an idea that if you get a diploma, you’ll probably get success. And that is not the case anymore.

All right. So what is your tip and advice for millennials themselves? We talked about how to manage them, but how can they manage themselves better,

I would say take more time to listen to to yourself, it’s really hard and just to be offline for for a couple times a day, I think the problem is with our generation that we never sit still. And if we sit still, we take our phone, we’re always online, really just be offline and just breathe in and just feel like how do I feel like right now? Do I feel good or bad? It doesn’t matter. It’s more of being conscious of and how you feel like because once you are more aware of that, you also usually know the answer. So if you don’t feel so good, you know what to do. But if you don’t take the time to do that, then you probably don’t acknowledge your feelings and just running away from them. And at some point, you might get burned out, because your body is telling you that you need some rest, but you’re just not listening to it, to come

back to yourself and listen to yourself and to see who you are in this moment of circumstances.

Yeah, and I think it’s hard because even though I think rationally we all know the social media, and that says, not healthy that we compare each other with someone else’s image, and we also know that the image that we see online is not always the truth. But I think emotionally we do get affected by that. We do feel like when we see a picture with someone on the beach, you think, hey, why I’m not there? Or when someone, I don’t know, start their own company, you will think why I’m not starting my own company. Just shut yourself off from that comparison. And to think, what do you find important? I know it’s easier to follow when there’s so many examples to follow. There’s so many ways to live your life, but to really choose how you want to live your life. I think that takes a lot of courage and strength. But once you have that, it also gives you more energy, and therefore I think you’re happier.

Only you are your own comparison, right?

Yes. And yeah, the problem with millennials is that we strive for a certain approval because there are no standards anymore where we can live up to basically, for a lot of the millennials, they’re the first generation that get to study and so you’re ready in some ways more successful. than your previous generation, and then you don’t know what is success at some point anymore, because you already achieved that. And then you compare yourself maybe with your parents. And then yeah, you might realize when you’re in the end of your 20s, that you still don’t have a house or a family. That is kind of hard, I think for millennials is now is the time to create the standards, the new standards of how to live your life, because it’s going to be, I think, in that sense, a better world because become a more about happiness and purpose. And you need to set the example for next generation to live up by that and not to follow just your values that we were raised with.

I like that. Let’s talk about that coming generation. So how Millennials are different from generation would they call it Gen Z. So and what are their characteristics?

I wouldn’t say I’m an expert on Generation Z. But what I could see that they’re, of course, even more tech savvy than the millennial generation, everything is definitely more instant for them. And the thing I think I’m afraid of is that millennials least have a certain luxury to make mistakes without getting exposed when they were a teenager and going out or experimenting with funding and boundaries that say drinking, for example, during your days when you’re a student. For millennials, it was a certain safe space still, because you want to be afraid that a picture would show up online or be on YouTube because there was no platform yet nowadays, I would say everything is more exposed because you have more comparison. And of course, you’re still very young that says, easily influenced by what other people think and what other people do. You are, I would say more afraid to make mistakes. And when you are not making mistakes, of course you don’t learn as much when you get a setback, then it’s become a really hard because you’re not used to deal with setbacks. You see that with the millennial generation a little bit already. So for example, with burnouts, I think the pressure you put on yourself to prove yourself that you are successful in the picture of what you You’ve been taught and so being successful in a job, I have a lot of money and all that, and not being able to do that. That is a setback and cost a lot of energy for people to realize that actually, maybe that life is not for me, but at least, I don’t live up to the standards that people expected for me. And that is a real big setback. And that’s, I think, one of the causes of burnout. And when you have a younger generation that’s really not used to having these mistakes. I would say it would be very hard for them, even if it’s a small setback, for example, get rejected by someone or rejected for a job. I think that will be really hard for them.

Yeah, because they even less trained to have resilience.

Yeah, having an opinion already is different than the generations before. And then right now, we in the world are in a bit of a I wouldn’t say chaos. I think it’s good chaos, but we are setting new boundaries and what is right and wrong. Basically, if you look at for example, the agenda discussion or the hashtag Me too, there is a lot of discussion on what is right and wrong and To be more inclusive, and I think the next generation, in that sense, more striving for more inclusion, everybody is okay with who they are. But that also maybe blurs the line and what is really right and wrong because everybody apparently, when they feel something or think something, it’s okay to feel that, but some things are just not right. Because it might hurt people.

Yeah, makes sense. So where do you think the world is going with all those generation shifts? And what I think are the trends towards long term future?

That’s a good question. Actually, I mostly look at the millennial generation. I would say right now what I see with Milan, those that are, let’s say, having a first wall as a second or third job right now, so a bit older generation. I think they have the feeling that they really worked really hard for success that they’ve maybe had since they were young or when they were a student, have that good job, have the position have all that and might realize right now, maybe this is not it. There’s it’s getting more conscious as an maybe it doesn’t make me happy even though I’ve worked so hard for it, I have this idea that I need to become this. And now I have become this. I might not be so happy.

Yeah. Because we know that old ways of definition of success doesn’t work what you said, what we don’t know. So what else not. So we are pioneering the way redefining how the world runs, what is

important and values and purpose.

Yeah, I think the good thing about that is that millennials should also realize that we are very young still. And we actually have succeeded already in so many aspects in life. So there’s still a lot to learn and to come and not to be afraid to strive for what really makes you happy. Because you still have a lot of years, we’ll probably never stop working. You think, well, if you look at that, not that we don’t want to work but it’s more like, like I said, it becomes more of a lifestyle. And I think we all want to contribute any human wants to contribute. And I think for millennials, it’s even more like a set because we want to achieve something Not on our own, that mentality will not stop. Even though you’re at the retirement age, we still have the mentality that you still want to have impact.

Yeah. And you want to learn and grow. Yeah. So what would be your best tip to make the world a better place?

The best tip such a millennial question.

To make the world a better place, I would say, rather a couple things. So one is, it’s all about communication and to have more compassion towards each other, and yourself be more offline. What I see is that we communicate so much more digitally, which is faster, but we all know that human contact really is more valuable, more valuable than anything. I think there needs to be definitely more trust. I always compare it with when we were younger, and we had to meet someone we call up someone say, Okay, let’s meet there, right? Then we just trust the other person to show up. And nowadays where we are Be each other while we text Oh, I’m going to meet there we send our location, we already sent a location how I’m traveling. So someone can already see the updates where you’re traveling. And when you’re there, you already say I’m here. You don’t even take the time to really wait for five minutes and to see if someone shows up. So I think we need we want a security. But I would say if you trust other people more that they do the right thing, or at least what they think is right, then there will be less pressure. And I think when you open up more and be more vulnerable to each other, and show more compassion to each other, you always reach common ground, that relationship will be very valuable because I think a lot of millennials feel lonely because they think that they are the only ones that have certain thoughts or certain problems. But we are all figuring it out and having each other and knowing that other people have the same thing is so nice because at some point, even though the millennial generation doesn’t like to be called millennial because we want to feel special. I do think we all want to belong, and I think that’s a good way to belong.

So to summarize, Millennials are People who grew up with technology. And even though they don’t like to be categorized or labeled, the key characteristics are they really multitasking all the time. They like flexibility and freedom of choice. They see everyone as equal. They’re having an allergy to hierarchy and authority. They respect people because of who they are. And they want all kinds of success. What we discussed all values plus new ways of being and new ways of defining success. Millennials need to learn a little bit more patience with the change and implementation because they are on demand and they used to have everything on demand. They need to learn ask for help more, and allow the help more and advices because they don’t want to be told what to do. And they don’t want to be given the wealth and success. Because they want to figure it out themselves and create success themselves. So the best tip for managers would be seek to understand and treat them like equal. And the best tip for millennials is stop, connect to yourself. stop comparing yourself to other people and a lot of possibilities and decide every moment who you truly are and want to be and open up and be more vulnerable. Because we all want to belong. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with others. Leave a comment and subscribe for future episodes. And remember, if you want to create a better world, it starts first with knowing and realizing what kind of world you want to live in.

In this episode, I invited Atish Kalyan, a founder and principal developer of a software consultancy company Monad Labs. We discussed how technology changed on how we communicate in business and how to manage a huge informational overload.

Show notes:

  • 2 major developments that changed how we communicate in business & positive results due to that.
  • How topology of companies changed with the internet and smartphones.
  • Struggles and downsides managing technologies.
  • The issue of E-mail and informational overload.
  • The problem of “presenteeism” and what it is.
  • Multitasking and how it impacts different generations.
  • How technologies and communication tools are shifting with Millenials and Generation Z coming into the workforce.
  • Is e-mail dead?
  • How e-mail is unique from other modern communication platforms.
  • How and when to choose the best communication medium.
  • How it can feel lonely in high positions with the overload of information.
  • Tips on how to catch up with the increasing amount of technologies and how to cope with the overflow of information.
  • What is the solution for the future?
  • What are arising technologies on how we will communicate in business?
  • The advantages of disengaging from technology.

Useful links & articles:

How technology changes how we communicate

Hello and welcome to tea and business lounge podcast, Episode Two. My name is Elaira and I’m so excited to be your host today. I have a special guest Atisch Kalyan, and we will talk today, how technology changed how we communicate in business and how to manage information overflow.

So hello and welcome Atish. And thank you for being here today with me.

Thanks for having me.

Could you introduce yourself?

Sure, I am Atisch Kalyan. I am a software engineer by trade. Until recently, I was living in Seattle. I spent about 12 years in Seattle, Amazon for about nine and a half of those years, where I did various things, software development, program management, Product Management. And after nine and a half years, I decided it was time for something new So I left Amazon and I joined a little startup in Seattle did that for about two years. And just recently, 11 months ago, I moved to Amsterdam. I’m the founder and principal engineer of monad labs. And we are a software consultancy here, based here in Houston.

So welcome to Amsterdam. Thanks. Tell me why you’re so passionate about your job. I like

building things. I like building things to help people. And I’m really passionate about the craftsmanship of software engineering.

Beautiful. So let’s dive in deeper in arts and crafts of technology today. How do you think technology changed the way we communicate and business?

Well, in my mind, there have been two major developments in technology that have changed the way we communicate in business. I think in the last five decades or so. It’s hard to ignore the impact of the internet in general to make the world smaller, it’s connected people. Far away. Everyone feels global. connected through pretty much every communication that you have in business, it probably goes through the internet some way email, Voice over IP technologies for conferencing or just person to person communication, video conferencing.

Yeah, absolutely. We living so surrounded with technology, and avoidable.

The second step function or advancement would be the introduction of smartphone. And that’s had the impact of making everyone connected. There’s 24, seven accessibility that the smartphone gives you. You always have access to your email, and therefore you always have access to your work. You always have access to documents related to work. You can always get in touch with your colleagues, there’s been some really good results of that. Number one, it’s allowed the workforce to be a bit more flexible. So you know, you can step away from work. And you know that you’re not going to be fully away from work because you have your, your email with you. Yeah, you can reach a colleague. And then the other thing It’s done is that it’s changed the topology of companies.

What do you mean by that? Well, what I mean is that,

you know, if you step back maybe 50 years, companies were structured in a way that communicate or that information flowed from the top downward. Yeah. And now everyone is more connected. And so you have companies that are flatter. There’s basically Point to Point communication between everyone in a company. And so information is able to flow more freely,

yeah. To access and connect more with each other, and how we do business and do it faster to do it more flexible. I love technologies being an enabler and connector. So don’t you think a lot of people are really struggling to manage it?

Right. Yeah. Yeah, there are definitely downsides. And I think I alluded to one of them earlier. There’s no line between work and life anymore, right? To some extent. I mean, like I said, You 24 seven accessible because you have your smartphone, you have your email, there’s no line. And I think people are really feeling the impact of it. People are more stressed at work. There are numerous studies that show that. I think in general, we’re suffering from Digital overload. Yeah, information overload, email overload. If we may have heard these terms before, I think the average American worker will receive or send 126 emails per day. And in my experience, that’s low, actually. And some of them I think, 20% or so you can say these are spam or low quality content. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But still, that’s a lot of email per day. We mentioned colleagues on the other side of the world, it’s not uncommon to wake up with an inbox that has 100 emails and before you’re, before you step into the office, you’re trying to dig out and the other thing is that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to disengage for fear of being out of out of touch or out of date. Because information is flowing so fast, it’s moving so freely. There’s the sense of presenteeism, you know, the the feeling that you always have to be present.

I haven’t heard this term.

Yeah, read this term in a book called conquering digital overload. It’s almost the opposite of absenteeism. If you hear people who are in hospital, and they just feel bad for being away from work, or they’re on vacation, and they just can’t, workers, on average, spend about 28% of their days checking email, and they check email about every 37 minutes. And I think that rings true. If you’re checking on your phone, you get to your desk, you check your email, and more and more people are being bogged down by multitasking. They feel, you know, I can just I see an email notification, let me just respond to this really quickly, but they don’t understand the impact that it has on their deep work. The fact that this distraction, it takes a long time to get back to the task at hand that they were doing before. Right. And actually, that problem is worse for the older generation as compared to the new, you know, millennials and Gen Z, they’re able to get back to work really quickly because they’re used to context switching.

Yeah, this distraction all the time, because they grew up with this distraction. Yeah, in their life. That’s right. So how communication tools and technologies are shifting with millennials and Gen Z’s coming into the workforce.

I think that the nature of communication is changing. Not that long ago, it was all about email, millennials and Gen Z, like you said, they’re moving more towards a style of constant communication, right? They use other tools, Slack, Google Hangouts, even Basecamp you know, these these types of tools to manage communication amongst their their teams. And now people like to say email is dead

is email that

in your opinion, I don’t I personally, I don’t think that email can die. And in my opinion, the problem is just moved. The problem is not gone away. In fact, to some extent, it’s gotten worse because of those, those tools. So if you look at Slack, for example, it’s shorter messages than you might send on an email, for example. And the expectation is that people are going to respond faster, or an instant message, text message, WhatsApp, the expectation is that it’s going to be faster. I think there’s, there’s a kind of unwritten rule that you should answer the phone in two seconds, you should respond to an a text message, SMS, instant message, whatever, in two minutes. And you could expect to respond to an email in two hours. But with more communication moving to these, these platforms like Slack, the expectation is that you’re always going to be responsive,

like right away. Yeah.

Email is the last open communication platform if you think about it, and what I mean by that is that Email is just a protocol for how a message gets sent from one part of the network to another part of the network. No one really owns email, you may use Gmail as your provider. But you can communicate with someone who’s using a different email provider. Or you can set up your own little SMTP server on your box for your company. But if you’re using a platform like Slack, you’re using slack. That’s it. If you don’t use Slack, you can’t communicate with someone who is using slack. Or someone who’s using you know, Whatsapp can’t send a message to someone who’s who’s using slack. So it’s changed the nature of how people communicate, who gets to communicate, and who owns the data, frankly,

how is the data stored?

Yeah, platforms like Slack, there’s a company behind it. And they define what that data and what the capabilities of the platform are. Whereas with email, email messages, get sent and then email providers email clients really get to augment the functionality from for users in certain small ways, with Gmail, they prioritize the emails in the inbox based on machine learning. Or they added a little snooze feature where you can say, send me this email again in 12 hours. But when you use Slack, you only have the user experience that they define for you. And just just Slack, just this one provider. And when they change something, you have to adapt along with it, or your whole organization needs to adapt along with it.

Yeah, just rephrase it if I got it, right. So email is more personalized, individualized, you can customize the way you want to structure the data there based on your needs. And if we go to slack, it’s more information flow where you jump on it or not, like you just have to adapt.

Yeah, I think that’s right, that there is a certain level of customizability with your experience with email. Because you have you always have the flexibility to use a different email client. For example, I can use Outlook, I can decide I don’t like using Outlook anymore, I’m going to use airmail. Now. And maybe that has a slightly different feature set that works better for my workflow for how I take my the things that are in my inbox and make them actionable,

how to catch up with increasing amount of technologies and how to manage that information overload. People are burnout or really struggling with it and even afraid to climb the career ladders because of this information have been even bigger. Maybe you can give a few tips to people how to cope with it, because it doesn’t seem that the information flow is going to be less

than that makes sense. And beyond that, almost 40% of employees believe it’s impossible to maintain a career and and a sound family life because it’s just this deluge of information. I think there are a few things to be mindful of. That maybe we don’t think about enough when we’re communicating. Frankly, we have to choose the right communication medium, right? a phone conversation, for example, can boil 10 emails down to a two minute conversation.

I’m just calling you from now on.

No more What? No. There was some research done, we’ll put a link in the show notes down that showed that a face to face conversation can be equivalent to 34 emails. Well, so we’re allergic to meetings, but at the same time that can be more effective and just cut down on the amount of clutter significantly. So we just need to know when to choose the right medium. slack for example, it’s great for sharing ideas or resources, maybe announcements or driving follow up discussions, or questions, but it’s not good for deep dives that require someone to really sit down and think before responding.

Yeah. And I know your own experience you shared with me where you were working in Amazon, you had those days of overload of emails, and you were really struggling to cope with it? It’s very interesting story. How can you feel lonely as well in being in those high positions and overload of information? Yeah,

definitely. Yeah, there was a period of time at Amazon where I moved into a different role. And I just kind of got thrown in the deep end. You know, it was something I was looking to do, but I think I was ill prepared for it. And I woke up one day, and I just had a vast amount of email, I would reach 1000 emails a day pretty frequently. And I remember one infamous day where I received 9000 emails, and it was just nice. And I thought I talked to my colleagues and we kind of joke and say, yeah, today I got to, I read, you know, I processed 40% of my email. This was a great day. And so through understanding the problem, and yes, feeling really, really lonely feeling I was failing at my job, you know, feeling like I was letting people down because that’s kind of the nature of the role that I was in. I really went down this journey, if you want to figure out how to cope with that, how to deal with it. And I picked up some really interesting tips along the way there, you know, email, there are well documented methodologies for getting to quote Inbox Zero, for example. And there’s there’s something called Getting Things Done. There was one that I really liked called Total workday control. And I took a lot of tips from these, but one of the most important ones I think, that helped me early on, was to break the habit of trying to meticulously file every single email in the appropriate place I had, I had folder structures that were mazes, and it was like an art, trying to file it in the right place so that I could find it later. And the moment I just said, No folders. I don’t care what project it belongs to what team who sent it when it’s going to go in archive. And the reality is that email clients have a better ability to search through emails, then I can correctly file an email, my key takeaway, find a simple process for processing the information. And this is a lot easier with email because it’s one place. This is why I think the problem that we’re facing now with scattered sources of information makes this much more difficult for today’s workforce.

And I can really relate my takeaway as well from my career was really to take one methodology of structuring your information that creates more space in your head and stick to it. Otherwise, what you’re talking about the scattered information and more technologies involved in helping you supposedly to manage information, it’s getting just more out of hand. So what is the solution for the future? You think?

From my point of view, technology is helped not create a problem. It’s helped us fulfill our desires for information and for producing and consuming information. But I think the solutions need to stem from organizations the top levels of organizations, they need to set the digital strategy. I’ll give you some examples. When an organization decides to introduce a new technology, are they really having conversations about what that does to the way people within the organization communicate? Like let’s say you introduce slack? Does that mean you’re deprecating email? Or does this mean that your workers now have to deal with both of these sources? It notification like, you know, notifications from both of these systems. What is it doing to the nature of the communication frequency, volume, quality? Are these being considered? And most of all, I think, what are leaders in organizations doing to set an example for the culture? Are they promoting, you know, sort of technological quiet hours or is the CEO sending question mark emails for things that are bothering him or her At midnight, because that sets the tone for how everyone else is going to be using the technology for communication going forward.

And it’s so interesting. You mentioned it, we don’t have it on a table. There’s like, by the way thing that we use every day we encounter with, but we never put it on the agenda together with future plans is urbanization, what our goals been? What is our organizational design? Where does our culture how we connect people?

Right? Yeah, we and, you know, if you’re thinking about organizational structure, you know, that’s that conversation is largely about how information flows through an organization. But is digital strategy a part of that? Yeah. You know, so I think it needs to be an organizational cultural setting.

And are there technological solutions for that, like we talked about strategy and how to manage that. But are there tools?

Yeah, I think there is a lot of space to improve. One thing that I’m excited to see is more chat bots being used. Imagine having a instant message conversation with someone except the someone on the other side is a machine.

Okay, and so artificial intelligence part

Exactly. But one simple thing that one can do is use the chat bot as sort of a first pass of information before it goes to the source that it was intended for. So let’s say that there was some sort of system to kind of mine the data or or store the data that’s being produced throughout an organization, a conversation with a chatbot, you might be able to say, what, you know, what’s the release date for this project? Or, you know, that that would that would typically go to a user to another person who knows that information, but maybe the chatbot can sit in the middle and say, I know, I’m not gonna bother so and so with this question, because I know,

I can be medium too. So Exactly. Yeah.

In some ways, it’s what you know, a lot of organizations have wikis, central repository of like, information that people can can go and see. Okay, here’s the status of this project. Here’s all the different reports from the weeks past, and they can go fetch that information. But a chatbot can do something similar. They can surface information that otherwise would go to some other person.

So use a chat bot is on the horizon for the future.

Yeah, for sure. There was one of the companies that I worked at in Seattle, basically took the support documentation then, you know, Knowledge Center FAQs, technical documentation and consume that and surfaced it through a chatbot. And that had the impact of reducing calls or emails to the support team by almost 25% overnight, so it can really be a valuable tool for for reducing the amount of communication.

Right. Are there any other other tools that you want to bring it up?

Well, I’m excited to see where virtual reality is going to go.

Oh, wow. This is really exciting one.

Yeah, because I think it has the opportunity to bring people closer together. video conferencing, for example, add interesting benefits compared to you know, just teleconferencing or voice conversations. You get to see the person on the other end, you get to see facial expressions, how they respond. I might be talking to someone in India, but it feels like they’re here. And I think with virtual reality, you could take, you could extend that further, you could be in the same place, you could be interacting with the same things if the nature of the job is kind of tactile or visual in that sense. So it could, you know, I’d be interested to see whether people start favoring technologies like this.

I could connect with my colleague in India, as you said, and we can just have a meeting, we can see each other and we can have flip chart and we can write notes. So it’s right, real meeting.

Yeah, in a way. The idea is to get two people are more into the same room. Yeah, there’s one more area where I think technology can help a little bit in That’s just doing more to automate routine tasks. So what I mean by this is there’s input of work somewhere, for a lot of people that it is email. But the result of that email is some routine tasks. Let’s say, as an example, I get an email. Well, the routine task then is a log into some console and navigate around, I look at this graph, I look at that graph. I decide, Okay, looks like a false alarm. Or maybe it’s going down or whatever. But that stuff takes time. And I think there’s an opportunity to really take, you know those routine tasks and for some system to identify them, so that we can just say, Would you like me to go to this console and just pull these two graphs that you tend to do every time you get this email? I think that will save a lot of time.

Yeah, it comes all about the mind space and the time we have right isn’t always the most precious thing, right? What would be your best tip or advice to make the world a better place? In regards of technology,

it’s kind of ironic for the technologist to say this, but I think disengage, disengage from the technology take time to just make space for yourself. And I don’t know, whatever your nervous tic vise tends to be Facebook, Instagram, you know what’s up, Reddit, it’s so easy to just grab that in a moment of boredom, for lack of a better word. I think it’s important to just take those moments and disengage from technology take a few moments to just reflect on what’s important, what’s going on. What needs to be top priority, and, and why you’re doing what you’re doing and why you’re doing what you’re doing. And next time you do grab that technology, maybe you’ll have a better direction of what’s important what actually needs to get done, versus being stressed out by the amount of items in your inbox or, you know, little notifications that It’s like sent to you.

Yeah. Because we really start to forget that technology should serve us and we shouldn’t serve technology. Its intention was there like that, but it seems like it’s getting out of hand that technology starts to drive and kind of control us. And

yeah, we get this little dopamine hit when we kind of process an email or maybe even receive an email. And it’s kind of replacing the human contact as well. To some extent it’s, we’re kind of just replacing what the feelings that we used to get.

Yeah, dopamine makes you feel enjoyment and pleasure and instant gratification is related to the seeking so we pick up the phone to check the time and then we ended up seeking another thing and dopamine is growing and growing and growing guilty. You end up checking this is the food for the dog, you know, as well How did I end up here right. And I really love your tip about disengaging and at least to have some parts of the day that you disengage You know, just just disconnect from technology or have the talks of technology, right? And I personally doing it, it’s my favorite thing to build up my own business. I meditate every day, an hour. And sometimes it’s really sit and do nothing, right like just disengage from stimulation of inflammation. It’s usually the first half an hour, what I call the breakup with the thoughts. I really have to come down my nervous system, which was so overstimulated of from the information played. And then after the five minutes, one hour, right, all the insights come up all the ideas, all the inspirations, and this is how I call it meditational decision making of my business.

You hear so many people who say I have my most creative ideas in the shower. Yeah, well, that’s because you’re not staring at a screen. For me personally, I’ve always found when I get a haircut, I’m sitting at the barber, especially when the barber isn’t very chatty. They take my glasses off, so I can’t really see anything. Like, visual stimuli, and I’m just sitting there going, Okay. And, you know, I have my most profound thoughts, I think in that chair. So yeah, I think disengage it’s just important for Well, first of all, it’ll reduce the amount of communication that’s happening via all these channels, and maybe add a little bit of quality to it as well.

Yeah, because sometimes after this disengagement you realize, Oh, actually, that was not really even important to do exactly. So to summarize, the key shifts and how we communicate and business started with internet and smartphones entering the world. Another point with millennials and Gen Z’s generations coming to the workforce communication moves to instant messaging platforms, and email is not that and probably will not die. Information overload, probably one decrease and to manage it is really important to have digital strategy in organizations and on a personal level, choose one inflammation management technique, and stick to it chatbots virtual reality and maximizing efficiency in routine task technologies are on the rise for the future. And don’t forget to disengage and disconnect from technologies at least once in a while. So through which medium channel people can connect and communicate with you and teach

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And remember, if you want to create a better world, it starts first with knowing and realizing What kind of world he wants to live in

The world is moving from business enterprises to social enterprises. In this first episode, I introduce the concept of what is so-called “Social Enterprise”, where it comes from and elaborate on a few key trends related to it.

Episode notes:

  • What is “social enterprise”?
  • Why this shift appeared and 3 main influencing causes.
  • Impact of financial crises in 2018.
  • The modern definition of what is a successful business.
  • What does it take to become a social enterprise?
  • Few key human capital trends that are happening right now.

This first episode is a foundation for a few coming episodes. 

Hello and welcome to my first tea and business lounge podcast. My name is Elaira and I am high potential coach and HR executive Today I will talk about about the profound shift that business leaders are facing worldwide. The rapid rise of what we call social Central. What it is why this shift here, and few human capital trends related? I’m so excited to talk about this topic because it’s such a hot topic and it’s so relevant to so many organizations in the change process they go through. So in a nutshell, the world is moving from the business enterprise to the social enterprise.

So what’s the difference between those two?

And what is the social enterprise overall that I’m talking here about?

Organizations are no longer assessed only based on traditional metrics such as financial performance or shareholder value for quality of the products and services. That’s what we called business enterprise. Now the the world requires and demands to expand those metrics. And this is where social enterprises come in. So organizations today I increasingly judged on basis on their relationship with a world with the workers, with their customers, with their communities and all other external and internal stakeholders, and as well on their impact on society, as large on the contribution. This is where Success of business comes from as well. These factors are super important to add on the traditional metrics of what successful business is. That’s what we call social enterprise. But let’s start from the root cause of it. So why has the ship appeared? And when did it start? The evolution of social enterprise was driven very strongly impacted by social, economical and political changes that were happening after global financial crisis, which happened in 2008. Despite of recovery in some parts of the world quite strongly and the other parts of the world maybe not yet many people feel really frustrated that financial gains have failed to improve individual lives. They fail to address social problems support, even political stability and mitigate such a strong boost of technology, unintended consequences, the technology is growing and the risks with it as well. So people start to question and challenge business and organizations to build a better overall holistic approach to the world.

There are a lot of factors contributing this arise of social enterprise, but it can be summarized to three main ones, three main shots. First one, the power of individual is growing, with millennials being in the forefront. And I’m laughing because this millennial topic is such a hot topic as well. Maybe worth the do another podcast itself, but in a nutshell, Millennials for those who don’t know Are people born between 1980 and 2000, and it is the most recent generation to enter the workforce. In fact, according to Deloitte data by 2020, Millennials will cover 75% of global workforce, which is quite shocking and huge, isn’t it? And actually managing millennials has become one of the key of challenges faced by most of organizations today, simply because they have a different outlook on what they expect from this job and what they expect from workforce and organizations in general. They question things they function differently. And 80% of millennials think that business success should be measured in terms of more than just financial performance. So millennials have quite a big impact. The second big factor is Very interestingly, people trust business more and the government in 2018 Edelman trust barometer reported that people worldwide please 52% Trust in business to do what is right, versus only 43% in the government. So it creates quite a pressure on organization to solve critical issues in society such as income inequality, health and care, diversity, cybersecurity, and so on and so on. And people look at the business to help them on that. At the same time. It brings a lot of possibilities for the business if they really take this trend and trust of people in the hands. And the third one is technological change. technological change has huge impact. To how society functions, but as well how the business is functioning, all the advanced researches and all the advanced technologies, in artificial intelligence, in communications, and so on and so on. It changes fundamentally how the business is done, who does it and how it influences society. So what does it take to become a social enterprise? In a nutshell, it is foundational to listen carefully, of all your external and internal environment and stakeholders, not only business partners and customers, but all the parties in society that influence your organization’s or is influenced by that’s really foundational to becoming and social enterprises. I guess by now you already have a feeling what are the demands and requests from people what are the needs in the workforce, though, let me state and break it down a few key trends in human capital that are happening. The first one that I want to talk about is personalized and individualized approach. The power of individual grows, organizations cannot deny that power. As I mentioned earlier, Millennials are coming with a strong voice and you just cannot ignore the numbers I mentioned. So organizations that want to be successful are really adapting their approaches to the workforce management reward systems, career models, and they are way more equipped to listen and respond to their employees fast. The main and fundamental shift in the careers and how the careers are structured are shifting from the typical career ladders to entrepreneurships from job descriptions to the experiences, most millennials have a lot of provoking ideas. And they want to test their ideas. And where they don’t find a job that’s so interesting and option that it can do that. They want to start their own company and test and implement those ideas. A lot of employers are encouraging their employees to contribute ideas and to be innovative. This is where the new term called intrapreneurship come from.

And that’s why a lot of companies are offering just to go and work in different department just tested out new skills, new projects, or shift in different directions so you know yourself better, you are much more covering that entrepreneurship concept where you are required to try out different skills that have way more holistic approach than just one specialized typical career ladder where you just rise up and nowadays People expect faster career growth and a lot of learning possibilities. They expect not once a year feedback about their performance but constant and regular feedback. So everything becomes more individualized, more tailor to employee and much more from the accountability plays from employee. A lot of self led development. A lot of self led trainings come from the employees and their own pace and their own rhythm, of course, in alignment with the manager and alignment with organization since flexibility is another big topic. So one size fits all doesn’t work anymore, and people are really adapting and tailoring from what’s relevant and how would be the fastest way to grow. Another trend of social enterprise is the influence of technology, artificial intelligence. robotics and automation has dramatically accelerated in the last years, as you may notice. And actually, it’s hugely transforming in demand roles and skills inside and outside organizations, people complaining that they cannot find a job or they finished great university great profession, which was very popular before, but now, they don’t find jobs like those roles are not in demand anymore. This will happen more and more. A lot of jobs are replaced by optimization. So for those people who are struggling with that, or thinking What should I do with my life, I want to mention uniquely human skills rather than technical skills, because future demand will require much more skill such as complex problem solving, cognitive skills, and social skills. Another very popular trend now in the organism his well being, not to be underestimated. Stress is one of the key sickness in the world in Netherlands is number one sickness second year in a row and this year percentage even higher, worldwide as well, numbers are not very much different. So this is huge and the world is changing and we need to adapt to that. The line between work and life kind of blurs. It’s more and more important to bring that topic in the organization’s actually employees are demanding that the mining that organizations expand their benefits to include wide range of programs for physical, mental, financial and spiritual health. And in response, employers are really investing in that part as society responsibility, but as well part of talent strategies This new error really demands a fundamental twist and how organizations do business today. And in addition, how they prepare for human capital challenges for the future.

It comes really from the core of it all, everything, how the business is structured, how it runs. So it does take time, especially if you’re medium or biggest heist organization, you cannot just turn the ship right away, where the world is going, where the demand is going. So with this, I really want to invite you to think about it and maybe it’s a good wake up call to see where the world is going and adapt sooner than later. Because if you don’t, it’s take is nothing less than your organization’s reputation, relationships, and ultimately, success or failure. And remember, if you Want to create a better world? It starts first with knowing and realizing what kind of world you want to live in. Thank you for being with me and listening it. I hope you enjoyed it. I’ll learn something new today. That was my aim. I will invite interesting business leaders and society leaders to talk about trends of new world and how it impacts the business and how the business is changing. If those are the topics that you are curious about and interested in, register to be notified when the new podcast came out and till the next episode.